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dmsnyder

This week's baking - 5 Grain Levain and Sandwich Rolls

I haven't posted here for a while. I bake most weeks once or twice, usually my favorite multigrain sourdough or a Buttermilk-Spelt Sourdough. I always have some San Joaquin Sourdough baguettes available in the freezer, of course.

This week, I baked a batch of sandwich rolls made with Medium Vienna Dough from "Inside the Jewish Bakery." The plan was to have rolls for turkey sandwiches, but we use these for hamburgers, sausages and tuna salad sandwiches most often.

Today, I baked loaves of Hamelman's Five Grain Levain. I hadn't joined the "Community Bake" of this bread. It's been a few years since I've baked it, but I recently restocked fresh ingredients with the plan to revisit this old favorite.

In anticipation of a feast tomorrow, we had a light dinner tonight - a few slices of 5 grain levain with Cotswold cheese and a cucumber salad. This bread is so good!

Here's a photo of the crumb:

I hope you all have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

David

 

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anmoo

1st SD bake

So finally,I did it. My first loaf. Taste wise really nice.I hope I will get it more airy and bigger in the next attempts. It was nice and bubbly after the bulk fermentation (I think-probably it was not enough...), but looking at the starter, I think I used it a wee bit too late, cause it was on the "fall" again.

I n g r e d i e n t s
400g Bread flour

250g Water

80g Sourdough starter (pure rye)

9g Salt

Bulk fermentation 7hrs(around 21-22C°, maybe I should get a thermometer...) then preshape, and shape, proof 15hrs in Fridge. Baked straight out of fridge into roasting dish (its a metal duck roaster I use right now). And I need to get a proper blade and improve scoring (I just used the odd kitchen knife...) ;)

Here are some pics, happy to hear what you think. Best, Anna

 

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Traveler

RETARDING A BIGA

I want to push the retarding of my biga as far as possible. I read that heterofermentative  bacteria thrives best at 50-65 F. However, does anyone happen to know if that bacteria would thrive , at refrigerator temps ? I want to develop as much lactic acid and acetic acid as possible. 

MY BIGA

Dissolve 1/8th tsp of dry yeast in 1/4 cup of water . SET ASIDE.

103 gram water

36 gram W.W. flour

112 gram unbleached bread flour

Add only 2 tsp of the yeasted water. (discard the rest)

Stir until well combined, cover and allow to ferment, 13 hour, OR until it nearly triples in volume. I normally set the container in a bowl of chilly water with a few ice cubes. 

At this point it is full of bubbles, and slightly domed.

QUESTION: will the bacteria still continue to multiply and produce lactic and acetic acids, at refrigerator temps ?

 

 

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Yippee

Mademoiselle Colette, Menlo Park, CA

 

 

 

Here's a crumb shot of a Costco croissant. It's cheap, costing only 42 cents each. At that price and its provenance, it's unlikely to carry the aura of a Michelin star. But as far as I'm concerned, it's properly proved and baked; it's flaky and buttery, and its honeycomb crumb looks pretty good. My only complaint was that it was too buttery to taste the bread. 

 

 

 

And here are a few crumb shots of a croissant that we bought from a bakery run by a Michelin-starred chef. It cost more than ten times the price of a Costco croissant. However, it was under-proved, under-baked, and had a doughy/gummy, almost raw center. Not only was the honeycomb missing, but there were hardly any layers; what I saw was practically a hollow interior.

 

 

 

 

 

WTFEmojiEmojiEmoji😡😡😡😡😡😡👿👿👿👿👿👿

 

 

 

 P.S. The second croissant we had on the next day was just as shoddy as the first. 💩😡💩

 

 

Today was a beautiful day - comfortably sunny and mild. I felt relaxed and happy as I was looking forward to the upcoming Thanksgiving holiday. We'd talked about visiting this bakery for almost a year; today seemed like the perfect day. So, I put on make-up and a lovely dress and went on a "date" with my ❤.

 

When we arrived at the bakery, there was already a line outside. We waited for about 20 minutes before it was our turn to order. I ordered as much as we could eat in a day or two. We couldn't wait to sit down and sample some of their "signature" items. While ordering, the kitchen staff brought out a new batch of classic croissants; I figured it would be pretty fresh. But its flavor and crust were mediocre, and its texture was shitty -- the center was sticky/gummy and chewy, like leather, and almost raw, which I had not expected!

 

You must understand that I came to this shop with high expectations as it claims that its owner had her training at Le Cordon Bleu and that a professional chef runs the bakery. But what I had today was clearly not up to professional standards, and it simply gave croissant a bad name! Can you imagine how disappointed I was?  This damn croissant ruined my date!😡😡😡#@%*EmojiEmojiEmoji

 

Of all the things we ordered today, I only suggest trying the baguette and almond croissant, but don't get your hopes high. I do think they need to add CLAS to improve the baked goods' flavor. 

 

 

 

Almond croissant

 

L'Irrésistible

 

Classic croissant

 

Pain au Chocolate

 

 

Chausson aux Pommes

 

 

Sweet Kouign Amann

 

 Ture professionals put the charlatans👎👎👎 to shameEmojiEmojiEmoji

 

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rayjay

How high can I go with white sandwich bread hydration??

I've been making white sandwich bread Japanese style at 76% hydration for some time now. I've changed the original recipe to reflect larger pan size, and, I've incorporated an XLG egg as part of the water weight. 
I was wondering if it would be any softer with higher hydration so I tried it at 80% but can't honestly say it felt softer if I rule out my imagination.
Then, I pushed it to 85% hydration and it really does feel a bit softer now. The dough is stickier to work with though so I'm wondering if it's realistic to push to 90 or even 100% hydration so I thought I'd ask more experienced people that may have already done so.
I was worried about getting to much of an open crumb like my Ciabatta buns have at 80% hydration but even with the white bread at 85% it's not even close.

My loaves are 12" long, 4.75" wide (half way up), 5'' high (in the middle) and final weight runs a touch over a kilo per loaf, giving me 25 slices @ .475" thick  plus the crusts .
I really like using my "inserts" (in my last posts) when baking so I don't get the rollover at top of pan. This gives me even sides on it to make cutting slices on my meat slicer so much easier.

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idaveindy

Store-bought Monastyrsky & Borodinsky loaves.

Nov. 20, 2021.

From the Russian grocery store in Carmel, IN.

Monastyrsky dark rye bread:

Monastyrsky label:

 

Monastyrsky top and end:

 

Monastyrsky side:

 

Monastyrsky crumb:

 

Borodinsky:

Borodinsky label:

Borodinsky top:

Borodinsky end:

Borodinsky side:

 

Borodinsky crumb:

Sweetened cream cheese spread:

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HeiHei29er

100% WW Sandwich, Jewish Sour Rye Deli, and Overnight Sourdough with Kamut

Had the opportunity this weekend to make a couple of loaves that I've been wanting to try.  First time breads are SO MUCH easier when you have a detailed method to follow, and I certainly have to tip my hat to Gavin for his explanation of Debra Wink's 100% WW loaf and David for the detailed method of his Jewish Sour Rye.

100% WW Sandwich Loaf

I followed the recipe exactly as described by Gavin.  Based on Gavin’s suggestion, I increased the flour and went up to 425g total flour for a single loaf.  For my whole wheat, I used mostly KAF, which has the ~14% protein content called for by Debra Wink, but I also added some flour from a local mill.  The method was very easy to follow and went as described.  This was my first time using Roasted Black Walnut oil, and it added a very nice aroma and flavor to the finished loaf.  I think the only thing I would try next time would be holding back 25-50g of the flour and mix it with the oil.  I wonder if it would make getting the oil into the dough easier. 

 At the end of the bake, the internal temperature was 190 deg F, and I think I should have gone for another 5 minutes.  The crumb is just a little bit on the moist side but is not gummy at all.  It is tender with no bitterness.  A good tasting loaf!

Whole Wheat flour – 425g (100%)

1% or Skim milk – 170g (40%)

1 large egg – approx. 50g (~12%)

Water – 99g (~23%: Weigh milk and egg.  Add water until combined weight is 319g (75%))

Salt – 9.4g (2.2%)

ADY – 5.8g (1.4%)

Honey – 51g (12%)

Roasted Black Walnut oil – 25.5g (6%)

 Mix: Combine all ingredients except the oil; combine until flour wetted; cover a refrigerate for fermentolyse to keep dough cool

Fermentolyse: 20 minutes

3 sets bowl kneading: Develop good gluten; 5-10 min rests between sets

2 sets bowl kneading: Slowly add oil; continue kneading until oil worked into the dough; place dough in lightly oiled container and refrigerate and let dough double overnight; take out after 12 hours and bench rise for up to 2 hours if needed (<73 deg F).

Stretch and Fold: Degas dough and fold; place back in bowl and let double again in cool room (<73 deg F)

Pre-shape: Degas dough and shape into a boule

Bench rest: 20-30 minutes

Final Shape: Blunt cylinders; place in lightly oiled loaf pan and final proof at 72 deg F 

Bake: Pre-heat oven to 375 deg F; bake 25-30 minutes; remove loaf from pan and place on center rack to set crust; target internal temperature 195-200 deg F

Jewish Sour Rye

Likewise, I followed David’s method exactly with one exception.  I used multiple sets of bowl kneading with short rests instead of bench kneading on a floured surface.  I think it went quite well and I was surprised at how easy the dough was to handle.  I was expecting a sticky mess with that much rye, but it wasn’t bad at all using the food prep gloves when kneading.  I used a 3-part build on the Rye Sour starting with my white starter and KAF medium rye.  I added some fresh milled whole rye on the final build.  It progressed well, and the final build was done in about 4 hours.  The Rye Sour was refrigerated overnight.

I’m happy with how this turned out for the first attempt.  I used bannetons for the final rise, and I wish I would have tried a free-standing loaf.  The doughs were close to overflowing the bannetons when I baked them, but I think they could have used a little more time, which would hopefully open the crumb a bit more.  I was surprised that there wasn’t any noticeable caraway aroma coming from the cooked loaf.  Just a very nice rye.  However, it definitely comes through in the sliced loaf, and can’t wait to have a grilled turkey rueben with this bread!

David has a very detailed description of the method in his blog post, so I won't duplicate it here.

 

Overnight Sourdough with Kamut

This is one of my favorite methods.  It’s slow and forgiving, and it works well on a day when you have distractions.  I usually do the mix at lunch time and the final proof in the late evening.  I follow the same formula and substitute different flours for the whole grain.  This time, I used fresh milled Kamut.  

The doughs came out of the bannetons a little different.  One was already kind of short and fat, so I scored it with four horizontal cuts, which helps it elongate during the bake.  The other I scored so it would open wider.  I created a time lapse video of this bake.  There isn’t as much noticeable spring in the elongated loaf as it started a little taller and it tended to expand longer.  Both of these loaves are spoken for and were just baked this morning, so no crumb shot.

Makes two loaves...

AP flour - 405g (45%)

Bread flour - 315g (35%)

Whole grain flour - 135g (15%)

Barley flour - 45g (5%)

Raisin Yeast Water - 135g (15%)

Water - 495g (55%)

Salt - 16.2g (1.8%)

Seed - 36g (4%)

 

Mix: Hydrate Kamut flour 1-2 hours before mix; combine all ingredients including salt and mix until flours are just wetted.

Fermentolyse: 20-30 minutes

1 set of bowl kneading: 24-30 folds to develop a medium gluten

Bowl Stretch & Fold: Every 60-90 minutes until dough starts to get “puffy”; usually takes me about 8-9 hours

Pre-shape: Degas dough and form a boule

Bench rest: 15-20 minutes

Final Shape: ovals and place banneton in sealed plastic bag, final proof at 76 deg F for 45-90 minutes

Cold Retard: refrigerate dough overnight

Bake: Pre-heat oven to 460 deg F; 440 deg F with steam (18 min); vent oven; 430 deg F (10 minutes)

 

Internal temp: Target 205-208 deg F

 

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Dabbler

Okay... So, this was supposed to be sourdough

I have been making a starter and it was doing okay i think. I wasn't being very rigid with it, but it was living and smelled amazing. I am currently trying to create bread with it. I have low hopes as of the stage of mixing it into dough as it just seems off but I will update this when I get closer to the end.

A few hours later... 

Its not going well, it's dough but there's not much for rising after the initial 12 hr starter rise (bulk rise?) and then a 3 hr regular rise after kneading. Its still a very slack dough as well. Hydration is maybe off? Gah... I hope my next attempt goes better. 

I think another contributer is that it has been cold in the house lately... But other than throwing this mess out, what can I do?

Update* Well I've gone ahead and formed it into loaves, hopefully after it proofs I'll feel better but it's still not seeming great.

Well, the first loaf is out the oven... Man I am so curious about the crumb on this guy. 

 So... The crumb... Was weird and very gummy.

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nicoaag

Levain feeding schedule

I bake 2 loaves of country bread once a week always with slightly varying formulas and methods. This week I tried only feeding my levin once a day for the whole week and building up to the amount of levain I needed on bake day by feeding it twice before mixing into dough. Previously I had started feeding levain twice a day 3 days before bake and three times a day starting 2 days before. I tried this new method in order to minimize waist since I rarely use levain for other purposes and to go through flour less quickly. This week my bread came out very dense and cakey and I was wondering if this had anything to do with feeding levain less in lead up to bake, although there are other factors that could have lead to this result (such as 25% spelt and walnuts in dough, and doing all day autolyse in cold kitchen which I believe could have slowed down yeast production when levin was mixed in). Does anyone find that frequency of feeding leading up to day of bake drastically affect their loaf?

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Dabbler

Whole wheat honey loaf

Made this soft and sweet sandwich loaf.

Still learning, but this is my favourite kneaded bread so far. I've used this recipe for cinnamon buns and mini loaves as well. It holds shapes really nicely. I have made pumpkins, skulls, snakes, and snails for example with it. 

I'm still getting used to shaping, lol so these loaves aren't very pretty. 

Don't mind the terrible knife work. Lol

 

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