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Dave Cee

Party time again.

300 gram (dough weight) SD mini loaves, your basic WBF sourdough recipe. I got the mini bannetons from Amazon.

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TechnoBake

Seeking a more open, less dense crumb

Posted this same over on Reddit, hopefully it’s ok if I cross post here since I think it’s different people here on this forum

and might get some different ideas

 

I need some help with my sourdough. 

All my breads come out ok and taste pretty good, but almost always are too dense at the bottom, don’t have an even distribution of large holes, and don’t have the type of oven spring / height/ airy-ness I’m looking for.

 

I’ve also noticed my last few breads are hard to shape (dough is sticky) and hard to score (razor blade drags and cant make one clean deep score). 

 

My starter seems strong enough (doubling after 8 hours with lots of holes) feeding 2x / day for a few days before using and I’ve even tried augmenting with some instant yeast and get pretty much exact same results

 

Here’s the method I’ve been using: 

10pm night before 

  • Feed starter with 10g starter, 50 KA whole wheat flour, 50 water
  • Autolyse 400 grams KA Bread Flour with 300 grams water

10am 

  • mix 100g starter and 10g salt with the autolysed dough 
  • 4 sets of stretch and fold 30 min apart 

 

11 hours total bf time from time of mix to time of shape, but my kitchen is relatively cold (68 degrees) — this is shortened to something like 3-4 hours in the summer when it’s 80 degrees

 

9:15pm 

  • preshape

9:45pm 

  • shape 

10:15pm 

  • put in fridge in bread basket with sealed plastic bag around it 

10am next day 

  • bake in 475 degree f oven with enamel cast iron that has been preheated 1 hour. 
  • 30 min lid on, 20 min lid off
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Felila

Kernza sourdough

I thought this Washington Post article might interest fellow bakers. I haven't tried it yet ...

Ihttps://www.washingtonpost.com/food/2021/12/23/kernza-sourdough-bread-recipe/

If you cannot get past the paywall, perhaps I can copy and paste the recipe. 

 

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HeiHei29er

Line spacing on forum posts

Any ideas on how to keep posts from double spacing when creating a forum/blog post?  Every time I hit "Enter" it double spaces.  Here's an example...

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veekay

Panettone..

So i've hopped on the panettone bandwagon for the second year running.. The first year was fraught with failures and in my current year, I've gotten a failed one and a successful batch. I'm onto my third batch but I was just wondering if this was normal. 

 

So my first dough takes about 12 hours which is a ok and pretty congruent with info on websites but my second dough takes AGES.. my successful batch took about 7 hours.. my current 3rd batch hasnt even doubled and its been way over 12 hours.. any idea what has possibly happened?

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Benito

100% Whole Wheat Black and White Sesame Seed Sourdough Hokkaido Milk Bread

We are visiting my in-laws for Christmas, it has been so long since we’ve done this, and we have to bring bread right? A baker cannot arrive empty handed. So with my sister in law’s taste in mind I had to bake a sandwich bread. She practically lives on buttered toast. To try to make a variation on my other whole wheat Hokkaido loaves I decided to add my favourite seeds to this loaf, black and white sesame seeds. I realized it has been ages since I’ve added seeds to my breads so it was long overdue. I reduce the dough weight a bit to compensate for the addition of the seeds. I added the seeds after the dough was moderately developed. The rest is my usual MO.

Recipe for a 9”x4”x4” pullman pan

Sweet Stiff Levain
• 53g whole wheat flour
• 24g water
• 18g light brown sugar
• 18g sourdough starter ~100% hydration
1:1.33:2.9:1 starter:water:flour:sugar

Tangzhong 1:5 ratio
• 18g Whole Wheat flour
• 89g milk

Dough Dry Ingredients
• 8 g vital wheat gluten
· 400 g whole wheat
• 30 g sugar
• 7g salt 1.6%

Dough Wet Ingredients
• 191g milk
• 50g egg (about 1 lg egg)
• 60g butter

60 g of mixed black and white sesame seeds

Pre-bake Wash
• 1 egg beaten
• 1 Tbsp milk

Instructions
Levain
Mix the levain ingredients in a jar or pyrex container with space for at least 300% growth.
Press down with your knuckles to create a uniform surface and to push out air.
At a temperature of 76ºF, it typically takes up to 10-12 hours for this sweet stiff levain to be at peak.

Tangzhong
In a sauce pan set on med-low heat, whisk the milk and flour until blended. Then cook for several minutes until thickened, stirring regularly with a spoon or heat-resistant spatula. Let cool in the pan or, for faster results, in a new bowl. Theoretically it should reach 65ºC (149ºF) but I don’t find I need to measure the temperature as this gelatinizes at this temperature.

Dough
In the bowl of a stand mixer, add the milk, egg, tangzhong, salt, sugar and levain. Mix and then break up the levain into smaller pieces. Next add the flour and vital wheat gluten. Mix on low speed and drizzle in the melted butter. Once incorporated increase the speed gradually to medium. Mix at medium until the gluten is moderately well developed, approximately 10 mins. Add the sesame seeds gradually and then continue to mix until the dough is fully developed about 10 mins. You should be able to pull a good windowpane, not quite as good as a white flour because the bran will interrupt the windowpane somewhat.

Shape the dough into a tight ball, cover in the bowl and ferment for 2.5 - 3.5 hours at 82ºF. There may be some rise visible at this stage.
You can next place the dough into the fridge to chill the dough for about 1.5 hours, this makes rolling the dough easier, remember if you do so they final proof will take longer. Alternatively, you can do a cold retard in the fridge overnight.

Prepare your pans by greasing them or line with parchment paper.
Scrape the dough out onto a clean counter top. Lightly flour the bench. Transfer the dough onto the bench and divide it into four. I like to weigh them to have equal sized lobes. Shape each tightly into a boule, allow to rest 5 mins. Using a rolling pin roll each ball out and then letterfold. Turn 90* and using a rolling pin roll each out to at least 8”. Letterfold again from the sides so you have a long narrow dough. Then using a rolling pin, roll flatter but keeping the dough relatively narrow.  The reason to so this extra letterfold is that the shorter fatter rolls when placed in the pan will not touch the sides of the pan.  This allows the swirled ends to rise during final proof.  Next roll each into a tight roll with some tension. Arrange the rolls of dough inside your lined pan alternating the direction of the swirls. This should allow a greater rise during proof and in the oven.

Cover and let proof for 6-8 hours, longer time if you chilled your dough for shaping. I proof until the top of the dough comes to within 1 cm of the top edge of the pan.

Preheat the oven to 350F and brush the dough with the egg-milk wash. Just prior to baking brush with the egg-milk wash again.

Bake the loaves for 50 minutes or until the internal temperature is at least 190ºF, rotating as needed to get even browning. Shield your loaf if it gets brown early in the baking process. After 50 mins remove the bread from the pan and bake a further 10 mins by placing the loaf directly in the oven on the rack with the oven turned down to 325ºF. You can brush the top of the loaf with butter if you wish at this point while the bread is still hot to keep the top crust soft.

Enjoy the beautiful scent of this bread with hints of toasted sesame seeds.

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texasbakerdad

Looking for a BBQ/Smoker forum similar to TFL

Howdy,

I just inherited a nice smoker and will be smoking more regularly. I'd like to maintain a smoking journal online. I really like The Fresh Loaf's user blog section of the forum. I cannot find any BBQ websites with the same or similar feature.

Suggestions?

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Ming

Baguette Dutch Oven?

Found a Dutch oven linked below that might work with two half-length baguettes. A potential problem I see is the internal height, which is only 2.5" tall. I measured my baguettes and they were about 2.25" tall so it should work with not much room to spare. What do you folks think? Thanks. 

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anmoo

Retard over night then shape&bake in the morning?

I am wondering if I can prepare my dough, do the bulk fermentation, S&F etc.Then place the complete batch of dough into the fridge overnight. I am asking, since I want to bake more than one Bread/Baguette, for the upcoming holidays, family & friends - I do not have enough space for more than one Benetton in the fridge. So my question is:

If I retard the batch in the fridge, how to proceed the next morning? Divide, shape, bake? Give the cuts some bench rest? Need to put them into Benetton and rest more?

Looking forward to input, thanks so much and happy holidays!!

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mwilson

Almost Panettone Giorilli 2021

So, it has been several years since I was baking ‘Grandi lievitati’ regularly. Getting back into the swing of things, and to some degree relearning what I once had figured out, or was at the very least working with more successfully…

Mastering Lievito Madre is no joke and is perhaps the most difficult accomplishment for any sourdough baker that wishes to really understand and control the many intricate nuances of fermentation and manipulate the biological and chemical processes which can ultimately make or break one’s endeavours.

While re-treading this old ground I have been faced with seemingly unruly souring and not even a high dose of sugar could stand in its way.

Many leavened primo impastos were abandoned, the last one was so sour it plagued the kitchen with a mildly sweet but also pungently acetic aroma. Evilness!

In the last few days, I am sure I have made progress in my understanding… In fact, through mulling over and mentally digesting recent occurrences I have come up with a rule based solution that really has shown promise in establishing what I’m looking for in a perfectly mature LM.

During the process of attaining that outcome I did manage to successfully bake a panettone. Despite suffering from a persistently overt acidity problem which then in turn leads to other problems such as dough handling and leavening issues.

The remaining ingredients (butter, aromatic mix (honey, orange zest and vanilla), egg yolks and fruit) to be added to the mix so far which consisted of the leavened primo, flour and sugar.

Last step adding the fruit..

 

 

Rheology issues. Dough was too keen to to tear while shaping indicating an excess of acetic acid which makes gluten tight / tenacious.

This panettone was on the right track but made before I had fully fixed the fermentation issue. Consequently it needed more time to proof, time that I didn't have, so I baked it early while only half way up the mould.

Formula:

Giorilli  
   
Flour4000220
Natural Yeast115063.25
Water2000110
Sugar125068.75
Egg Yolks90049.5
Butter120066
Salt  
   
   
Flour100055
Malt301.65
Sugar110060.5
Honey25013.75
Salt703.85
Egg Yolks160088
Butter2150118.25
Sultanas2300126.5
Candied Orange100055
Candied Citron50027.5
   
Totals205001127.5

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