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BKSinAZ's picture
BKSinAZ

banneton dried out bread out during 18 hr retard.

 

 

Normally I use the cloth liner in my baskets while proofing and never have issues.  This time I wanted the spiral design so I took the liner out and placed dough directly in the banneton. 

Two problems occurred which I seek advice on..

  1. The wood of the banneton dried out the top of dough/loaf a little, creating a skin.
  2. The dough was stuck inside to the banneton, but I was able to carefully peel out.

I dusted the banneton with flour to prevent sticking and achieve the spiral design. I covered dough directly (bottom of loaf) with slightly greased saran wrap and then placed the entire banneton w/dough inside a large plastic ziplock before placing into fridge for 18 hrs. 

 

 

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foodforthought

Ciabatta Breadsticks

A few months ago, Jack Sturgess mentioned that a breadstick challenge stumped most of the British Bake Off contestants. I happened to be making a batch of ciabatta at the time, so I thought, why not dedicate some of the dough to breadsticks. The results were pretty good and we love a crunchy snack with our nightly glass or two of wine. Anyway, after 4 passes, I think I finally have a repeatable process that produces attractive, munchable grissini.

Several weeks after starting this journey, I watched the Bake Off challenge show and saw, to my horror, an assignment that resulted in these massive cheese and olive loafs more on the order of a ficelle or even a baguette. The winner did a passable job on a ludicrous assignment. I'm glad to have been inspired by Jack's mention and happy to have missed the initial broadcast which probably would have put me off my feed enough to never look into how to make decent breadsticks.

So…I mixed up a 2 kilo batch of my 50% Durum ciabatta recipe based on the Community Bake and Alfanso's helpful process. Then while my formed ciabatta were rising on the counter, I chopped a kilo of dough into maybe 50 20g batons. The 80% hydration dough is very sticky, so I've started rolling the batons in semolina before stretching them to half-sheet pan length. You fight the gluten a bit, but I've found that leaving one pan of partially stretched batons to rest while I fill another pan, I'm able to return to the initial batch and get a bit more length on the shorter sticks. I proof them at 80-85 dF for up to an hour depending on how many batches I need to bake. Before baking, I spray the shaped sticks with water and dust with Maldon salt and coarsely ground pepper. Have made versions with rosemary or Parmigiana incorporated into dough during the final mix. Definitely going to stay in my repertoire.

 Phil

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CalBeachBaker

Ammerlander Schwarzbrot (Germany) - The Rye Baker

Ammerland Black Bread   Ammerlander Schwarzbrot (Germany)

The Rye Baker by Stanley Ginsberg

I baked this bread mid-Dec and haven't had a chance to post. 

This bread is a nice heavy and crunchy loaf. I think I baked it a little too long which made it a tad dry but I wanted to be sure it was not gummy.

Tasting Notes:

The crumb was nice and crunchy due to the rough grind by my vitamix of the rye and wheat berries but it had a nice sour/dairy flavor combined with the wheat flavor.  The crust was quite crunchy as I indicated but tasted toasty and slightly resinous. Overall the grain character of the loaf was quite complex.  This will definetly go into my 'bread rotation'.

Recipe and process are below for those interested.

Tony

 

 

 

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Benito

100% Whole Spelt 96% Hydration Sourdough

I'm still working on learning to bake with 100% whole spelt since I received a lovely Christmas present of a 2 kg bag of Anita's Organic Whole Spelt from the mill!  So to also learn about about the use of a stiff sweet levain I thought I'd use one in this non enriched dough for the first time.  As you may know having a significant amount of sugar in the starter creates osmotic pressure causing the microbes to dehydrate.  This has a greater negative effect on the LAB than it does on the yeast.  Combine this with a low hydration levain and you have a levain that will favour the yeast because of LAB will be at a disadvantage and this will then reduce the acids that are produced in the levain.  That will then reduce the acid that is transferred to your dough.  Also because the stiff sweet levain has favoured the yeast, the fermentation of your dough will go along quickly without the usual associated rate of pH decline.  This was my thinking in planning this bake.

As you know spelt has poor quality gluten, this is because the balance of gliadin and glutenin show an excess of gliadin to glutenin.  This results in a gluten that is excessively extensible and not very elastic.  With this in mind, in theory a stiff sweet levain should prove to be useful in that less acid will be produced during fermentation.  As you know proteases that break down gluten increase in their activity as the pH of the dough drops.  Protease works well between 3.5-4.5 pH. At a pH of 4, there is maximum protease activity. This activity results in smaller protein chains and loose amino acids. Too much protease activity will destroy the gluten structure you might need right before the dough goes into the oven.

Overnight stiff sweet levain

16 g starter 25 g  water 47 g whole spelt 16 g white sugar.  Initial pH 5.2
Fermented at 76ºF.  10 hours later peaked about 3.5x rise and pH 4.86

 

Dough
453 g Whole stoneground spelt
23.55 g Vital Wheat Gluten
176 g water
10.47 g salt

Handful of spelt flakes to finish.

 

Using a #40 sieve, sift all of the whole spelt flour and VWG.

This resulted in 151 g of bran and course spelt flour, this was scaled with 302 g boiling water and after cooling placed in the fridge overnight,.

In the morning, add the salt and levain to the water breaking the levain down.  Then add all the sifted flour.  After resting 10 mins knead until it forms a firm dough.  After a 10 mins rest, add the bran/spelt scald folding it in and then mix in a stand mixer until good gluten development.

Remove dough for aliquot jar and pH measurements.  pH of dough was 5.44 before adding the scald and then 5.65 after the scald was fully incorporated.  The dough was left to ferment at 82ºC.

After a 30 mins rest the dough was coil folded twice at 30 mins intervals and then left for the remainder of bulk.  The dough had excellent structure and didn't need more folds.

When the dough reached a 40% rise by aliquot jar the pH had only fallen to 5.24.  This is quite remarkable because typically when using pH to guide fermentation I would see a full 1.0 drop in pH to correlate with a 40% rise by aliquot jar.  This is in keeping with the idea that the stiff sweet levain favoured the yeast and that had as yeast favouring effect in the dough as well.  At this point the dough was given a final shape and after shaping was spritzed with water and rolled in spelt flakes.

The shaped dough, now in a banneton was allowed to complete a warm final proof at 82ºF while the oven was pre-heating to 500ºF until the aliquot jar showed a rise of 60% and a still high pH of 5.1.  While the oven continued to heat the dough was placed in the freezer.  After 30 mins the oven was ready and the dough removed from the oven.  The pH at this point was 4.99.  This is quite remarkable because typically I would see a full 1.3 drop in pH at the time of baking when just following pH and this had a total drop of only 0.67.

Bake with steam at 450ºF for 25 mins.
Vent the oven and remove the steaming equipment.  Normally I would drop the temperature of the oven at this point, but I forgot and left it to bake at 450ºF by accident for another 22 mins.  Typically it would bake at 425ºF for 25 mins or so.

 

 

So what do you think?  Did the theories prove to be true?  The post bake oven spring and bloom would suggest it did, the crumb will be the final verdict.

 

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Gadjowheaty

Tipo 00 characteristics - and why?

My wife's delightful friend just gifted her out of the blue with a ton of flours from Janie's Mill, including an "Italian Style" flour which they describe as getting as close to type 00 as you can with stone millling.

Never used Type 00, and don't know much about it.  I understand the "00" denomination has to do with how finely ground the flour is, but other than that - what types of wheat are used, what proteins, what glutens/W/P/L are characteristic?  Why is this good for pizza and other flatbreads?

Merci.

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idaveindy

78th bake. 01/06/2022. Denisa's 100% rye.

Jan. 6 - 7, 2022.  78th bake.  RYE!  

This will be my first attempt at a 100% rye. I'm kind of following Denisa's post here: 
https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/67054/100-whole-grain-rye-sourdough-bread

The goal is to divide her formula by 3 and make one loaf of about 835 g.

My first change, due to the fact that I did not plan ahead, and wanted to get started tonight, was that I did not prepare a fully fermented seed. I had a 100% whole rye starter (fully fermented, then put in fridge) going, but yesterday I added enough whole rye (no water) to the cold starter to make it stiff, and put it immediately back in the fridge, so the added flour was/has not fermented.

I intend to make up for that by using 20 g of under-developed stiff starter instead of 16.7 (50 / 3) g of ripe 100% hydration starter. That's just a guess.

I'm also not going to be able to maintain room temp (21 C, 70 F) over-night in the stove with the light on. So, I will need to extend the pre-ferment beyond the 10 hours specified in her formula, and hopefully look for the same development as shown in her video.

Here's the stone-ground whole rye flour that I used for both the pre-ferment and the final dough:
https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/69305/

The pre-ferment, at 7:45 pm: 
    20 g stiff, not fully-developed, rye starter.  (would have been 50/3 = 16.7 g of 100% hydration rye seed/chef/starter.)
  148 g water.  420 / 3, plus extra to bring stiff starter to 100% hydration.
  140 g whole rye flour, stone-ground, Malsena brand.  420 / 3 = 140 g

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Her timings and temperatures: 

  • Pre-ferment: 10 hours at 21 C / 70 F. Should see bubbles through glass container.
  • Mix. 
  • First rise (bulk ferment), 1 hour at 29 C / 84 F. 
  • Pan the dough, 2nd rise (proof), 1.5 hours at 29 C / 84 F.  Look for small cracks and pinholes.
  • Bake with steam, 15 minutes, at 260 C / 500 F. 
  • Remove steam, bake 45 minutes at 200 C / 390 F. 
  • Remove from oven, wrap in towels for 24 hours, or a minimum 5 hours.

Jan. 7, 2022.

5:45 am. Checked oven. It was 70 F after all, and the pre-ferment was now at the 2.5 cups mark, and well aerated, so I put it in the fridge.

6:45 am. Took pre-terment out of fridge, now at 2 cups level. Warmed some water and began mixing. 

Final dough: 
  all the pre-ferment. 
  warm water:  725 / 3 = 241 g
  whole rye flour: 825 / 3 = 275 g
  salt: 15 / 3 = 5 g
  honey (or barley malt syrup): 50 / 3 = 16 g

7:00 am. Finished mixing. Dough temp = 69.9 F.  Bulk ferment (first rise) in oven, about 29 C / 84 F.

8:00 am. Greased a loaf pan with Crisco shortening (out of butter) and lightly floured it, as per video. (Video specified butter.)

8:07 am. Finished panning the dough. Back in oven, aiming for 84 F air temp.

8:52 am. Start oven pre-heat to 260 C / 500 F.  Hope to be ready by 9:37 am. Yes, I took the proofing dough out of the oven before starting the pre-heat. ;-)

Start bake:

I forgot to take a photo. Top of loaf has some pin-holes. Mostly toward edges. Not as many holes as in Denisa's video, but decided a slight under-fermentation was better than risking a collapse.

9:43 am.  Put loaf in oven. Poured 3/4 cup boiling water in steam pan. Oven thermostat set to 500 F, the highest it goes, but this oven is always low by 25 degrees, according to an oven thermometer, so it's only 475 F.  I'll give it 2 extra minutes to compensate, before lowering temp.

10:00 am. Lower temp to 200 C / 390 F. (415 F setting on my oven.)

Looking for a 95 C / 203 F internal temp according to the video.

10:43 am.  Take out. Internal temp 208.9 F.  The loaf collapsed evenly, and is at least 1/2" lower than when it went in the oven.

Let it sit out about 2 hours to cool. And then put in a plastic bag.

5:15 pm. I couldn't wait, and I cut it open. Crumb is nice, but a little moist. I should have wrapped it in a kitchen towel like Denisa said to in the video.

Crust is thick. Taste is good. I can smell and taste the honey.  I miss the caraway and coriander, so I'll include bread spice next time.

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Pre-ferment starter at 1 cup level:

 

Top of pre-ferment, right after mixing:

 

Cold pre-preferment, it shrunk from 2.5 cups to 2 cups while in fridge:

 

Top:

 

Bottom:

 

Side:

 

BKSinAZ's picture
BKSinAZ

My very first ear, but why did the crust split?

Ear picture 

Split picture 

What did I do wrong? Bread is currently cooling, so have not sliced yet.

 

 

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Miller

Combining flours to raise the protein level

I have some bread flour with 12% protein and another quantity with 14% protein. Using simple mathematics I can calculate the right mix of the two flour quantities that would give me protein at a desired percent above the 12% and up to the 14% levels. For example the ratio is 13:7 if the target combined flour would have 12.7% protein or 2:3 if the flour would have 13.2% protein.

However, what other factors should be taken into account when combining similar flour types, but of different protein content?

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WatertownNewbie

Dough Not Stick to Dough Hook

This morning I am trying to bake a Black Rye Bread from a recipe posted by Stanley Ginsberg (http://theryebaker.com/black-rye-breadjuoda-rugine-duona-lithuania/).  All seemed to be going well until I combined the final dough ingredients and began the mixing step.

Stan writes "Use the dough hook at low (KA2) speed to mix into a stiff dough that leaves the sides of the bowl, 6-8 minutes."  Sounds simple enough.  Except -- and this is a new one for me -- the dough would not coalesce around the dough hook and instead went to the sides of the bowl.  I periodically stopped the mixer, scraped the dough from the sides into a pile in the center, put the dough hook in the middle of the pile, and started it up only to watch the dough fail to adhere to the dough hook.

Has anyone else ever experienced something like this?  What could cause dough not to stick to the dough hook?  I usually mix dough by hand, but every other time that I have used the stand mixer I have had the dough stick to the dough hook.

Thanks for any suggestions, ideas, or information.

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George Q

JOULULIMPPU - SPICY FINNISH CHRISTMAS BREAD with Sourdough

JOULULIMPPU - SPICY FINNISH CHRISTMAS BREAD with Sourdough is also know as Setsuuri.

Reference :https://ketunhanta.blogspot.com/2015/12/joululimppu-christmas-bread.html

 

Adapted from Heléne Johansson: Bröd från Brunkebergs Bageri

The bread I've recast as a sourdough and no yeast.

Scald: 165g boiling water

60g rye flour

22g rye malt meal

5g fennel seeds

Mix and let stand until cool.

Levain:

All scald

50g rye starter, 100% hydration

50g water

Ferment for a few hours until it rises by 50%(use young)

Stage2:

All levain

220g wholegrain wheat flour

40g dark syrup

3g sea salt

Mix all and stretch and fold for  each 20-45 minutes for the first 3 hours. Add in additional 38g of water during the end of the three hours.

Form into boule and let rise for an hour to 1.5 hour.Dough temp is 80 degrees F.

Brush on beaten egg and bake 35 minutes uncovered on a stone.Done.

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