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Martadella's picture
Martadella

50/50 whole wheat loaf

As simple as can be:

3 cups whole wheat flour (I used local flour from a feed mill; it's relatively coarse, with big flakes of bran)

3 cups all purpose flour 

3 cups of cold tap water

1 tablespoon of salt

¼ teaspoon of dry yeast 

1 teaspoon of diastatic malt

Afternoon before baking mix the ingredients  into a lumpy dough. Keep it covered at room temperature and give it a little stretch and fold now and then. No need to do it at any regular intervals. When the dough feels nice and springy and it formed a smooth ball leave it to expand a little and then refrigerate overnight

In the morning toss on the board, form a loaf, place in a basket,  let proof and then bake in preheated clay pot

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breademic baking

Rye Sourdough

Hi! This is my first post. I just baked The Food Geek's Jewish Rye Sourdough. He's got a great video turtorial, and I followed it up until it came time to shaping the dough. I have a wood countertop, so I oiled it a bit to keep the dough from sticking. Other than that, I wouldn't change a thing. Highly recommend it!

-Monica from Breademic Baking.

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DanAyo

Dough Temp with Intensive Mixing

The dough mention was an enriched sandwich loaf by TX Farmer. The only tweak was a 5% PFF was added to the formula.

FYI
The Final Dough Flour was kept overnight in the fridge (~38-39F)
The Tangzhong was also refrigerated overnight
Final Dough liquid was cold milk
And the whole eggs were are cold

The above was mixed intensively for 28 minutes at various speed. Estimate average speed at 5-6 on a ten speed Famag Spiral Mixer. The final DT after mixing was 73.4F.

I'm not sure how this would compare to a planetary mixer such as a Kitchenaid, but thought this info might be of interest to others.

By the way - according to TX Farmers instructions, the dough could have gone a bite further. The gluten was extremely well formed and beautiful. One day I really need to push the machine kneading to completely over worked. Won’t know how far you can go until you go too far.

HERE is the link to Bread. One loaf baked with the cover on the other with cover off.

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albacore

Making Chapatis

There are lots of different ways to make chapatis; this is how I do it.

Here's my equipment:

I'm lucky enough to own a vintage Indian chakla, but of course any smooth flat rolling board will do

 

 

and a belan/rolling pin

 

 

A tawa for cooking the chapatis

 

 

Chaba for keeping warm and serving

 

 

Recipe

Very simple. I've been using Sharbati atta - whole wheat flour grown in India and very finely stoneground. No visible bran. I don't know how they get it so fine. It's very weak, so I like to add 20% medium strength bread flour, otherwise it tears easily.

I keep the hydration low - 62.5%. I used to go higher, but it makes life more difficult; the dough tends to stick to the chakla and tawa if you aren't very careful.

For liquid I use half cold milk and half boiling water. I put the flour in the mixer bowl, push it to one side and pour in the milk to the other side. Then I put the water into the milk pool, and knead the dough in the Kenwood with the spiral hook for about 5 minutes.

To make 4 chapatis - good for 2 people, I use:

  • 200g sharbati atta
  • 50g bread flour
  • 78g cold milk
  • 78g boiling water
  • no salt

Cover and rest for 20-30mins.

 

 

When ready to make, divide the dough into 4, press by hand to discs and roll out to a good size. Best to get rid of any excess flour as it burns and spoils the look of the chappies.

One of these is very useful:

 

 

 

Cook the chapati on the preheated tawa, both sides

 

 

When done, briefly hold the chapatti over an open gas flame, if you have one; it will char and puff up nicely.

 

 

Store the chapati in a tea towel on the chaba.

And here they are, ready to eat with your favourite curry!

 

 

Lance

 

 

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Martadella

Deli Rye Bagels

500ml lukewarm water 

~1/4 cup homemade caramel color *

260g dark rye flour 

300g bread flour

300g all purpose flour 

9g dry yeast

5g onion powder

3g ground caraway seeds 

18g salt

30g granulated sugar

 

*burn 2 heaped tablespoons od granulated sugar in a small saucepan until golden brown. Remove from heat. Be careful, it's hot like lava! Let cool then add ¼ cup boiling water and wait until everything dissolves. It will look like dark beer

 

In the bowl of a stand mixer add water with sugar and caramel color, add yeast and let foam. Add the rest of ingredients and work 5 minutes on lowest setting using the hook attachment. Wait 10 minutes and run the mixer again for 5-7 minutes. Adjust water or flour if necessary. The dough should leave the sides and bottom of mixing bowl, but it will remain slightly tacky to touch. Form a neat ball, cover and let rise in a lukewarm spot, 45-60 minutes. 

Toss on a board, divide in 12-16 pieces, form into neat, tight balls. Cover, let rest 10 minutes. Make bagels. Cover, let rest 15-20 minutes. Meanwhile prepare a large pot of gently boiling water, add 2-3 tablespoons of sugar and 1 teaspoon of malt. When the bagels look nice and puffy, boil them, 2-4 at a time, 1-2 minutes on each side. Fish them out with a slotted spoon, cover in seeds and place on prepared pans. Bake in the oven preheated to 425°F, 20-30 minutes or until golden brown

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Creepsy

Autolyse leads to degrading gluten structure during bulk

This problem seems to occur across all the breads I make. My breads come out fine without an autolyse, but every time I add one to increase the extensibility of the dough or decrease the mixing time it seems to have a negative impact on my dough.

When using an autolyse, the dough looks fine after kneading: Its extensible, but not too extensible, smooth and forms a windowpane. But as the bulk ferment moves on, the gluten structure seems to degrade drastically up to the point where the dough simple tears when trying to form a windowpane (already after 2h into bulk). This already happens with a really short autolyse of 30min.

The bread comes out fine, but its relatively flat as the dough spreads a lot. (Still has some nice ovenspring though)

I should also mention that this is also the case with yeasted doughs, not only sourdough. And it only happens when I add an autolyse to the recipe.

Just for completeness: I am using realtively weak T550 wheat flour with ~11% protein content.

 

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Ilya Flyamer

Effect of milk on bread

The egg post was quite popular, here is a video from the same youtube channel about milk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku9wAbLbI9A

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Martadella

Soft focaccia, two ways

Dough:

Bread flour, 800g

Mashed potatoes (they had some dill in them) 200g

Water, 520g

Diastatic malt,  10g

Salt, 12 g or to taste 

Olive oil, two splashes

Toppings: 

1. Grape tomatoes, cut in half,  oregano 

2. Mashed potatoes, scooped with a teaspoon, spicy vegan sausage,  herbs (dried chive blossoms and thyme) 

I also used emulsion of water, olive oil and salt on both focaccias 

 

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Drew

Change bun size of recipe

Hi guys. 
I’ve been making a brioche bun recipe for a few years now and love it. 

my question is if I want to make buns half or a third the size how would I alter the recipe?

would I cut the cook time by half?

any thoughts are greatly appreciated 

Drew

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Yippee

20220129 Backstube Zopf - Flocken Sesam

 

 

To learn more about concentrated lactic acid sourdough (CLAS), please see here and here

 

 

 

A few years ago, when I read about how a Japanese bakery called Backstube Zopf builds its rye starter, I asked myself: How is this possible? With just two builds in 24 hours, the bakery makes an active, aromatic rye starter with a pH of 3.6 to 3.8. It also seemed incredible that the bakery's typical bread production cycle is so fast. It includes no bench time or a very brief rest after mixing (e.g., 15 minutes). Then there is a 30 to 60-minute proof followed by baking. 

 

Backstube Zopf is located in Matsudo City, Chiba Prefecture, Japan. The bakery initially caught my attention because of its extensive rye bread menu. The bakery's owner, Yasutomo Ihara, is an artisan baker passionate about promoting rye bread to the Japanese people. 

 

I later learned that the secret to the bakery's operation is two industrial rye sourdough cultures: one called TK starter, made by a German company, BÖCKER; and the other one called Active Sour, made by a Japanese company, オリエンタル酵母工業株式会社. These cultures are aroma-intensive and able to sour immediately. They are not only expensive but also unavailable to individuals. Without access to these commercial cultures, having a rye starter like the one in the bakery seemed like an unreachable dream for a home baker. 

 

Then CLAS came into my life unexpectedly. It takes 24 hours to make. It has a pH of 3.6 to 3.8. With the addition of CLAS, the flavor of every bread recipe is taken up a notch. It allows me to make delicious, bakery-grade rye bread at home quickly and easily in a simple way that I never imagined possible. What a pleasant surprise! It's a dream come true!😂 😂 😂 👏👏👏 Thanks to Rus, the rye baker who showed me the tricks, I'm forever grateful. 

 

As you know, I have a sweet tooth. I'm trying to build up my sweet bread recipes so that I have enough recipes to rotate. Lately, because of the holidays, I've been eating a lot of sweet bread made with refined flour, so now it's time to switch to whole-grain. Backstube Zopf has a sesame raisin walnut rye that looks very tempting. Here's the (65%rye35%spelt) whole-grain version I made with CLAS:

 

A.

35% fresh whole spelt flour, ground in the Vitamix

15% whole rye flour - CLAS

28.5% water - CLAS 

mix to autolyze as I prepare other ingredients

 

B. 

22% flaked rye

51% boiling water

mix to rehydrate the flakes

 

C.

1.5% salt

0.3% dry yeast

 

D.

29% fresh whole rye flour, ground in the Vitamix

 

E.

16% water

 

F.

19% golden raisins, rum-nuked

19% raisins, rum-nuked

38% walnut

 

Total dough weight ~ 1400g

 

Mix

in the Zojirushi bread machine

 

1. 

add A. mix ~10 mins to strengthen the gluten

 

2.

add B. gradually

mix until incorporated

add C. 

mix until incorporated

 

3.

add D.

add E. gradually until the dough feels right

 

4.

Transfer the mixed dough to KA 

as I don't want the sticky dough to ruin my precious Zo

 

5.

KA+paddle

add F.

mix briefly to incorporate

 

Bulk

33C x 30 mins

 

in the meantime

butter the bundt pan 

coat with white sesame seeds

 

Shape

round

poke a hole in the center

gently load into the bundt pan

load the bundt pan into a granite roaster

 

Proof

35C x ~210 mins

until cracks appear on the surface

 

 

Bake

cold oven 

Lid on granite roaster

set to 400F, ~20 mins

400F x 40 mins

 

Cool 

wrap in tea towels

put in a plastic bag overnight

 

See Mini's advice for more tips on cooling rye loaf.

Thanks, Mini!💋💋💋

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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