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Kuchenfee72

bread baking on a gas range - so frustrating, any tipps?

Hi everyone!

Ive been baking bread for quite some time now and used to do that in an old electric Frigidaire oven. Now we moved to a new house with a quite new Samsung gas range and nothing is like it was. I was used to steam my bread by shooting in half a glass of water at the beginning of the baking process with 465F. I always baked six breads on one tray!

Now I'm trying to bake bread in that gas range and I#m really frustrated about it. I can't shoot in water, there is no crust, no even browning (bottom is brown, top of the bread still light although I use the top rack). It tastes okay but not like I want my bread to be.

so - give up and give in to buying a new oven? Or can you help me with useful tips?

 

Thank you all so much!

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troglodyte

How to Incorporate Water into Biga (Step 2)? - KAF Rustic Italian Ciabatta

I have made a few ciabatta loaves lately, relying on King Arthur Flour's "Rustic Italian Ciabatta Bread" recipe. If you have not looked at it in a while, be aware that it has undergone many changes at the King Arthur Flour website over the years. I am using the current version of the recipe as of April 2022. You can find it here:

https://www.kingarthurbaking.com/recipes/rustic-italian-ciabatta-recipe

The first sentence in Step 2 says: "Add the water to the biga, mixing to incorporate the two. ..."

-> Question: How do you do that? 

Explanation:
The biga and the lukewarm water do not want to mix. I can run the mixer with the paddle at any speed, but they do not blend. The biga sits there like a giant dumpling in the water. I can break it into smaller dumplings by cutting up the biga with a rubber spatula, but they don't mix well. If I run the mixer at faster speeds, it splashes a lot and some mixing happens, but it does not blend into a uniform "incorporation". Instead, I get a bunch of little wet dumplings floating in white hazy water.

-> How do you do the "mix warm water into biga" step? How do you know you're done? Do you work at it until it is a uniform blend? If so, how?

Currently, I give up at the "little floating dumplings" stage and move on to adding the flour/salt/yeast mixture, switching to the dough hook, and kneading it in the mixer. 

 

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Preferment questions

I have been baking sourdough bread for quite a while, but i am starting to get more and more into yeasted breads, because it fits better into my schedule and i just generally dont have as much stress about it. I am also learning about preferments, because i want to make up for the loss of flavor i might lose using commercial yeast instead of sourdough. So far, what i have learned is that they help with flavor and strength in the dough. But i was wondering why you would use one preferment over another? Hope you can answer these questions:

  1. What does different preferments do, for example biga and poolish? I mean in terms of everything you can think of, crumb, crust, taste, extensibility, elasticity, height, volume, softness, chewiness etc..

  2. What does different amounts of preferments do? Typically 30% of the flour is prefermented, but what would making more or less do? Would it simply make the effects of the preferment greater?

These are the only one i can think of now, but i might ask some more in the comments :)

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jjudson

Do Starters Go Dormant or Hybernate Briefly?

I've noticed something strange that I have no answer for. Every now and then, our sourdough starter seems to go dormant. We feed once a day at a 1/1/1 ratio and keep the culture at room temperature. Most times the starter is very robust and we use it every week to make bread. The starter has been active for several years. For some inexplicable reason -- and with no change in process -- the starter goes to sleep for several days. There are no off-odors or strange appearances in the dough. This happens every few months and usually lasts for about 2-3 days. We revert to a twice-a-day feeding for two days and the starter comes back to life and works just fine.

Any theories on why this happens and whether or not this is a normal function of yeast?

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gooz

Help figuring out the recipe for this bread

My neighbors’ son comes by to see his parents on some days. I was lucky enough to be given some of his freshly made bread that in my opinion is the best bread I’ve ever had. I asked him couple times for the recipe and he said he’d give it to me but has never happened yet. I feel bad for asking all the time that’s why I came on here to ask for your help.

Background: he said it’s a Sicilian bread that his mother used to make all the time. It’s covered in sesame seeds and the crust is thin but get super crispy when reheated. The crumb is also very light. The crust also flakes so easily. I think it’s such a delicate bread

I’d be forever thankful if anyone can give me any info about this!

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StevenSensei

Shiso Miso Sourdough - Benny@TheFreshLoaf

In all honesty this bread wasn't planned until the day before I started my bake. I was planning on something else and then I stumbled across this thread from our very own Benny! 

Red Miso Furikake (Sesame seeds and Nori) sourdough

Since I've been experimenting with adding things into my bakes I immediately knew that this was going to be bumped to the front of the list. I made a few small changes like adding fresh shiso leaf instead of furikake and using a special kind of very dark red miso.

BREAD CALCULATIONS AND RECIPE HERE

 

First let's talk miso. These are the 3 I have in my house currently. In the upper right is a special white miso. It is sweet and creamy. In fact if I make soup using just that it almost tastes like a milk or cream based soup. Th largest container is a mixed miso which is delicious and has the rich umami flavor you think of when you think of what miso tastes like. The dark black miso in the upper left is called Hachou Miso. It is a pure red miso that is fermented for more than 3 years. It is from the Nagoya area of Japan and the oldest producer of this type of miso has been making it since 1337!  It is thick, and sticky, and pungent...and was my choice for this bread. When mixed with water you can see the dark color it produces. This is a flavor bomb for sure. I also decided to add fresh Shiso Leaf into the mix. Shiso is a great flavor that pairs well with miso and should add a slight freshness to the loaf. 

 

The dough itself was on the higher end of hydration and was quite sticky to work with. Gluten development wasn't a problem at all and the smell of miso and shiso were strong. Also the color of this dough. This is 10% rye and 90% bread flour. This is not a whole wheat bread!

Sensei's Report Card

Tasting Notes: And the result is gorgeous! The crumb is soft and creamy. The bread does carry the flavor of the miso. I've eaten it plain and as toast with some butter and it's tasty...but I walk away confused about how I would used it. It could be really really good as croutons for a salad. Sadly, the shiso was overpowered by the miso and I can not detect it at all. I think that Benny's inclusion of furikaki with sesame and nori would be better. The sesame would stand up to the strength of the miso. Even a sesame crust would be tasty. 

 Time/Effort: Three day process starting with a levain build on the morning and evening of day one, mixing and bulk on day 2, and finally baking on day 3. This is my normal sourdough schedule so It's not out of the ordinary for me. Dough is high hydration and can be sticky and difficult to work with if you haven't worked with breads over 80%

Would I make it again: Maybe. The bread is not bad and is very unique. However I have so many others that I would return to before this. So while it won't become a staple, it was a delicious experiment that if I do return to at some point will include sesame for sure.  

 

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suminandi

Relearning Croissants

With the kids out of the house and unable to bring baked goods to the office, I mostly stopped baking croissants. Husband has been wanting to eat some recently, and we never seem to catch the short hours of our favorite local bakery. So I made some yesterday and baked a few this morning (putting most of the batch in the freezer after shaping). 

I used Hanseata's recipe : https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/33346/croissants-buttery-heaven, which I've scaled down to match 2 ingots of butter (~220 grams). I substitute oil for butter in the detrempe (as I usually do). This makes 12 nice sized croissants, about 90 grams finished weight.

Process:

After mixing the dough to medium development (stretchy but not thin windowpane), let rest until puffed about an hour. Pat out to one inch thick rectangle and refrigerate a few hours. (errands run during that time. Make butter block using Trader Joe's store brand unsalted butter. I usually use Kerrygold, and while this batch was delicious, next time I'm going back to using Kerrygold - i prefer the flavor. Locked in the butter block and did a letter fold. Cover and refridgerate for 30 min. Second letter fold, fridge for 30 min, 3 letter fold. Roll out a bit (to ~15 in X 6 in) cover and refrigerate overnight. In morning, roll out to 20 in x 10 in and cut into 12 wedges. Stretch wedges slightly and shape into rolls. 4 were allowed to proof about 2 hrs before washing with cream and baking for 30 min at 375 F. The rest were placed in the freezer in pie tins until frozen and then piled into a freezer bag. Plan thaw them overnight in fridge before proofing and baking. 

Results and improvement notes:

1) The cream wash did not produce as nice and shiny a result as egg yolk wash - go back to that. 

2) I did not remove the dusting flour off well enough when rolling them up. There are bubbles where the layers separated (see below)

3) Could have baked for 5 more minutes. 

Overall, very successful for a startup after a long break

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Yumni.03

3rd loaf attempt still going wrong :(

3rd attempt and it's still going the same! All my loaves look like flat discs and have crumb separation at the top, you can see the pyramid shape too where I 'slashed' it (with scissors, no razor blade), and it collapsed. This is after I've taken lovely advice from a previous post :(.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but this is overproofed right? Having taken previous advice and from hours of researching I followed all the possible videos on shaping and building dough strength. I created my surface tension, there was a beautiful windowpane at the end of bulk.

I was definitely overproofing previously but I still don't get what's going on, process below.

 

Maurzio's: https://www.theperfectloaf.com/best-sourdough-recipe/#tasty-recipes-11311-jump-target.
I did an overnight levain instead, fed my starter 1:5:5 the night before and used 75g as recipe states. Made an autolyse as instructed too. I used the slap and fold technique to incorporate the starter, then rested for 30 minutes to add the salt and extra water. Did a lamination fold after this, I also took a sample for my aliquot jar. Calculated my hydration to be 80% (is this too high? But my dough holds up very nicely?).

3 sets of stretches and folds and 3 sets of coil folds (bit more gentle near the end) every 30 minutes. Then I rested until it had been total 5 hours of bulk fermentation (from when I added the starter). The dough was kept in my oven with the light on, along with my aliquot. I had all the signs of a good bulk and none of overproofing. Aliquot had risen about 25%, dough had lots of bubbles on the top, few on the sides. It was doming nicely at the edges, and when stretching a small piece had an AMAZING strong windowpane. Cute little wobble too.

Pre-shaped, no tearing, it came out of the bowl cleanly. Rested for 30 minutes then final shaped, making sure not to use too much flour, degass big folding bubbles, and creating surface tension. Dough didn't spread too much, as I've experience previously. Then put in a bowl lined with a towel and rice flour (not a banneton xx) and stuck in the fridge for 13 hours.  I like to think it passed the poke test, but the dent didn't completely fill up, hence why I'm thinking overproof?

For baking, I preheated my oven to 250C, with a baking stone in the middle, and a roasting tin on the bottom. I took my loaf out and it was the least it's ever spread, so I was hopeful. As soon as I cut it started to spread and my heart sunk. Slid my loaf in, poured boiling water on the bottom and turned oven down to 230C. Steam bake for 20 minutes, and there was definitely enough, I could see it rising from the oven vent even at the 20 minute mark, then another 25 minutes until I was happy with the crust colour.

I've taken all the advice I've been given but am still not sure what stage is going wrong! Is my fridge too warm? Should I stop bulk earlier? Is my shaping that awful? Is my oven too hot? Please help!

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The Roadside Pi...

The sfincione Palermitano is born!

Inspired by, the pizza bible. However, this bake morphed into something completely different. Thick Brooklyn style. Specifically Armondo's, Canarsie-Brooklyn, Rockaway Parkway. (L train station) Thick Sicilian pizza.

The sfincione Palermitano is born. AKA, It's hip to be square

 

18X12 half sheet pan. 1,100 grams of dough. Three-day dough: Day one starter refresh/build. On day two, mix the final dough. 28 hr. cold ferment/Two hr. room temperature final proof. I realized I was out of barley malt. I substituted 2% Brown sugar. The rest is as written

This performance is coming to you live, from Greenwich Village- Manhattan N.Y.C. ETA to bake & update

"T" minus 30hrs. 

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BCbreadbaker

Good Book/Good Bread

Hi Fresh Loaf Community!

If you love reading as much as you love baking, feel free to check out my free newsletter, Good Book/Good Bread. Every two weeks, I recommend and review a book I love, and bake a delicious bread that fits with an aspect of the story. You can check out some recent issues and subscribe here. 

Some recent breads and bakes include: 

Lost in the Valley of Death + Turmeric and olive oil loaf with green onions 

The Namesake + Everything Bagels 

Bull Mountain + Sour Cherry and Walnut Sourdough 

Fugitive Pieces + Feta and za'atar stuffed flatbreads

Pure Land + Sesame Challah 

Enjoy!

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