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Benito

Stand Mixer opinions

I am growing weary of my Kitchenaid Artisan stand mixer.  As you may know it isn’t an ideal mixer for bread.  I have a newer model which is said to have plastic gears and this model has the tilt head design.  When kneading dough there is a lot of friction so the dough temperature climbs throughout kneading.  The other issue is that using the spiral dough hook which is better than the C dough hook that comes with the mixer, it causes the mixer head to bounce up and down.  In order to control this I have to press down with my upper body weight to keep the head stable and keep the mixer from walking off my countertop.  All of this to say that it is a PITA.

I need a mixer that is still able to handle bread doughs of low to high hydration.  The mixer also still needs to be able to deal with non bread mixing needs such as cake batter, cookie dough, meringues, whipped cream etc.  It needs to fit my small kitchen and fit under the upper cabinets.  I do not have a place to store it other than in the kitchen on the counter.  It should look nice enough that my partner doesn’t hate it.

I know that the Ankarsrum reviews quite well and certainly fits my needs I believe.  I’d love to know what you guys think about this choice and whether you think I’d be happy with it based on my needs.  Do you have other suggestions that would also suit?

Much appreciated.

Benny

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JonJ

Some thoughts on psyllium husk in wheat breads

Psyllium husk is usually used in gluten-free or keto style breads where the gel that it forms can act as a binder and helps the loaf to retain its structure without slumping.

For a long time now, I've tried using psyllium husk together with my lower protein flours (around 11.5%) to see if I could make a better bread with these weaker flours and the results have been usually somewhat unclear.

So this post is my attempt to describe in one place some things that I've learnt, both good and bad, about the use of psyllium husk in baking in a non-gluten-free context.

The thing is, you don't need to add psyllium to a wheat bread. The benefit really is that it is a simple way that allows you to dramatically increase the hydration without risk of the dough slumping or baking a flat loaf. The dough becomes super easy to handle, the flow/rheology changes, and the dough holds shape. The crumb retains more moisture to it as well.

What are psyllium wheat breads like, is there an improvement? Initially I was adding around 2g of psyllium husk per approximately 500g of flour, and for these breads the results were unclear. The dough became much easier to handle, but beyond that it was difficult to pinpoint exactly if this was beneficial to the final bread.

Lately I've been reading gluten free recipes that use about ten times as much, around 20g of psyllium. And so I moved up to 20g of psyllium, and whilst it made a beautiful wheat bread with 20g of psyllium, with a beautiful shape, in some ways the crumb looked a lot like those pictures you see of gluten free breads, a little too homogeneous, somewhat unnatural, and not at all like what you expect:

The unnatural looking crumb is visible in the photo above; it must be said though the texture of the bread was quite lovely, soft to the touch and without any noticeable taste change. The shape was good, almost as if the bread was formed in a mould. For this bread the psyllium gel was added at the same time as the levain to the autolysed dough using the dough hook, and the hydration was 87%.

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In another, later experiment I reduced the amount of psyllium down to 6g, and wanted to compare adding a psyllium gel versus adding water by bassinage.

The loaf on the left used bassinage to increase the hydration to 75%;  the loaf on the right used Psyllium gel as the way of increasing hydration to 83% (the initial dough had a hydration of 70%, and was divided in half).



Note the Psyllium loaf had 'snail trails' on the surface, or deposits left on the surface from the gel. It also spread at the score rather than lifting the crust to make an ear, and had a softer crust and moister crumb, although the bassinage loaf had a nicer chew. Besides that they were fairly similar breads. The effort to add the psyllium gel addition by hand is a lot easier than bassinage is.

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Finally, psyllium has its uses to help with recovery from an over hydrated dough - I had issues with my scale and inadvertently mixed up a dough at a hydration of about 86% which was way too high for the flour used. To recover, I added 5g of psyllium husk into the dough, which stabilized it enough to continue to shaping and it kept its shape without slumping when it came out of the banneton. There were lumps from the psyllium, so the dough was not smooth when worked by hand, but this did not seem to carry through after baking.

Once again there is no ear, and there is an unusual upright shape and way in which the loaf opens up. Interestingly, for this bread, the crumb was noticeably moister even one or two days after baking and quite nice to eat.

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pete16

Toaster for homemade bread in UK

Hi all

I have 2 ovens with grills, but they're not much good for toasting - it takes 10 mins, the bread gets burnt around the edges and is quite dry.

Every few years I try and find a suitable toaster for my homemade bread without success.
The reviews I've found on this forum mention products either not available in the UK where I live, or are discontinued.

Bearing in mind that I often have quite thick slices of toast and that the bread is quite wide can anyone recommend a suitable toaster that is available in the UK?
I only toast 2 slices at a time.

Many thanks 
Pete

 

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Mother.of.Utred

Boiling then Freezing Bagels

Hi. I make bagels regularly. It’s a lot of work but worth it. i was wondering if anyone tried boiling the bagels, freezing and then doing the final bake the morning they are served. I tried shaping and freezing the raw dough before boiling/baking but the bagels were like lead. I think the yeast died. Any advice would be appreciated. 

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alcophile

Malfabrot question

I'm planning to try the recipe for Malfabrot (East Berlin Malt Rye) from The Rye Baker. I have several barley malts of varying degrees of roast that I could use for the malt. I tried looking for what a typical malt would be in the bread, but was unsuccessful. Ginsberg suggests a 120° Lovibond crystal malt.

Any ideas what the East Germans would have used?

Thanks!

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JonJ

Roosterkoek

Roosterkoek (or roosterbrood) are a traditional bread or bread rolls cooked over the braai (BBQ). The name is Afrikaans for rooster ("grilled")  plus either koek ("cake") or brood ("bread"). They are usually eaten piping hot together with the meat.

Many of the recipes are fairly similar and usually include sugar and oil in the dough. Where I differ a little is I like to give mine a little bit of shaping and bake them as pull apart rolls. Also, I'm not a great fan of them if they're cooked directly over the coals, which is the traditional way.

My method is to mix all the ingredients except the oil, with a Danish dough whisk, usually I mix the yeast, water, and sugar together and then add the flour and sugar to that. Then olive oil is kneaded into the dough after about 20 minutes. About 40 minutes after the initial mix the dough is weighed and divided into 9 balls that are shaped into rolls and placed on the dutch oven lid. About 1h15m - 1h30m after the initial mix they have normally puffed up enough to be baked. I like to bake 20 minutes on the cast iron base in the Weber with coals to the side and parchment underneath. Might turn it every 5 minutes so that it bakes evenly.


The lovely thing about them is that not only are they enjoyable to eat, they're also super convenient. If you forget to buy rolls. Or have run out of potatoes, they'll still be there for you.

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Benito

30% Whole Wheat Sourdough Hokkaido Milk Buns

These are the perfect buns to have with your Thanksgiving dinner which we just had this year in Canada.  At 30% whole wheat they have that extra flavour without being too whole wheat for those in your family who don’t like 100% whole wheat breads.  The tenderness achieved by the tangzhong, butter and milk make these so soft and fluffy and delicious, everyone will love them.

450 g for six or 900 g for 12 buns baked in cupcake pan

Levain

Mix the levain ingredients in a jar or pyrex container with space for at least 50% growth.

Press down with your knuckles to create a uniform surface and to push out air.

At room temperature, it typically takes 7-9 hours for this sweet stiff levain to be at peak.

Tangzhong 

In a sauce pan set on med heat with about 1.5 cm of water, place the bowl of your stand mixer creating a Bain Marie, whisk the milk and flour until blended. Then cook for several minutes until thickened, stirring regularly with a spoon or heat-resistant spatula. Let cool.

 

Dough

In the bowl of a stand mixer, add the milk (consider holding back 5 g of milk and adding later if this is the first time you’re making this), egg, tangzhong, salt, sugar and levain.  Mix and then break up the levain into many smaller pieces.  Next add the flour.  I like to use my spatula to mix until there aren’t many dry areas.  Allow the flour to hydrate (fermentolyse) for 20-30 minutes.  Mix on low speed and then medium speed until moderate gluten development this may take 5-10 mins.  You may want to scrape the sides of the bowl during the first 5 minutes of mixing.  Next add room temperature butter one pat at a time.  The dough may come apart, be patient, continue to mix until it comes together before drizzling or adding in more butter.  Once all the butter has been added and incorporated increase the speed gradually to medium.  Mix at medium speed until the gluten is well developed, approximately 10 mins.  You will want to check gluten development by windowpane during this time and stop mixing when you get a good windowpane.  You should be able to pull a good windowpane, not quite as good as a white flour because the bran will interrupt the windowpane somewhat.  This is a good time to add inclusions such as my favorite black sesame seeds, that way they do not interfere with the gluten development.  If you add inclusions mix until they are well incorporated in the dough.

 

On the counter, shape the dough into a tight ball, cover in the bowl and ferment for 2.5-3.5 hours at 82ºF.  There may be some rise visible at this stage.

 

You can next place the dough into the fridge to chill the dough for about 1.5 hours, this makes rolling the dough easier to shape.  Remember, if you do so the final proof will take longer.  Alternatively, you can do a cold retard in the fridge overnight, however, you may find that this increases the tang in your bread.

 

Prepare your pans by greasing them or line with parchment paper.  

 

Lightly flour the top of the dough. Scrape the dough out onto a clean counter top and divide it into 12. Shape each tightly into boules, allow to rest 5 mins. Using a rolling pin roll each ball out and then shape tightly into boules.  Place them into your prepared pan.

 

Cover and let proof for 6-8 hours at a warm temperature.  I proof at 82°F.  You will need longer than 3-4 hours if you chilled your dough for shaping. Proof until the dough passes the finger poke test.

 

Preheat the oven to 350F and brush the dough with the egg-milk wash.  Just prior to baking brush with the egg-milk wash again.

 

Bake the buns for 30-35 minutes or until the internal temperature is at least 190F. Shield your buns if they get brown early in the baking process. You can brush the top of the buns with butter if you wish at this point while the buns are still hot and sprinkle with flaked salt.

My index of bakes.

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jantheberryman

Nero 400 Oven w/ Steam Trays for sale (LA)

G'day all!

I am selling a brand new Nero 400 oven (like the Rofco b40 in all but name) that I bought but totally disregarded since I have a 110V house, and this requires 220V. It's new and has just been sitting covered ever since I bought it. It comes with three steam trays that are also still in their original packaging attached to the oven container itself.

I was hoping to get $3000 for it. It is way less than what I paid including tax and shipping.

For pickup, I am located in the LA County within the city of Compton. I can help you lift the oven up if so needed just let me know.

If interested please email and reply at

janrayas25@gmail.com

 

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jo_en

clas conditions 100% whole wheat pasta dough

I had 34 gr of clas (previously frozen, wheat clas, rye clas half-half)) left from a bread bake and wanted to use it up.

Since clas conditions whole grain dough even as you knead bread dough, I wondered how it would work on whole wheat pasta.  

It yields a beautifully smooth dough!

Recipe:

150 gr ww hard red wheat, freshly  milled ( I ran it through the mill twice)

1 whole egg (46 gr)

34 gr clas (about  21.3 gr water)  about 7.8% flour from clas [12.7 g clas flour/(150+12.7)]

18 gr water added  (total water+ egg =39.3+46=85.3 gr; 52% hydration)

 1.  Make a well in the mound of flour. Mix the clas, egg and water (and some salt) with a fork and pour into the well. Draw in the flour gradually with hand or fork and then knead until elastic and smooth. 

2. Wrap tightly in plastic. Let rest 2 hrs. 

You will notice how clas conditions the dough beautifully.

Cut ("4" thinness); boil-al dente.

[Corrections in underline above.]

recipe with refinements - link at foodgeek 

https://fgbc.dk/2o3s

 

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doughooker

Back to S.F. Sourdough

Here is my dilemma:

I can definitely duplicate the ultra-sour flavor of the legacy sourdoughs we used to have in San Francisco back in the day. I can do this using a conventional sourdough culture (starter).

The problem is, in order to achieve this flavor I have to let the dough overproof. Like way overproof. Overproof to the point that proteolysis turns the dough basically to liquid.

Needless to say, it is not possible to get a viable loaf from this. Instead I get an unrisen sourdough pancake with a crunchy crust.

What I know about the bakery technique of the legacy bakeries is that they used a stiff starter which they rebuilt every eight hours. Inasmuch as they were baking 24/7, this starter ultimately gets used up. They can't afford to make starter and then throw the surplus in the garbage. That kind of waste would cost them money.

Could this explain why the old S.F. SD was so sour? The obvious question is, how did they prevent the starter and dough from overproofing?

Rebuilding a starter every eight hours is not practical for the home baker who does not bake 24/7. For this reason I no longer do much sourdough baking.

I've had the sourdough at Tadich Grill and did not taste the familiar lactic-acid tanginess I'm used to, leading me to suspect that they achieve their sourness by artificial means.

Thoughts?

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