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alcophile

Latgaliešu Maize (Latgalian Rye, Latvia)—The Rye Baker

I finally screwed up enough courage to attempt the Latgalian Rye from Stanley Ginsberg’s website. It’s a more complicated recipe with several steps at elevated temperature. But @Econprof, @Martadella, and @squattercity have all made some beautiful looking breads.

I don’t have a Brod & Taylor proofing box, so I had to improvise using appliances that I do own. The specifications page for the InstantPot Duo showed some temperature ranges that might work for the elevated temperatures for the scald and sour-scald in the recipe. Not wanting any surprises during the recipe, I measured the temperature of a water bath at some of the settings of the IP:

 

The Keep Warm and Yogurt temperatures looked most promising.

I scaled down the recipe to 1200 g because I wasn’t sure how my Bosch Compact would handle the full dough. The first day is preparation of the scald and a stiff rye sour sponge. The sponge was mixed according to the recipe using whole rye flour (Breadtopia) and refreshed rye sour culture (aka Vaal).

The scald has pale rye malt (Canada Malt via NYBakers), whole rye flour, and ground caraway (Penzey’s). Hot water was added and these were mixed in the IP and set at Keep Warm-Normal. The mixture was to be held at 65 °C for 16–18 h, but after ≈45 min, the temperature was at 68 °C. Fearing overheating during the unattended overnight period, I set the IP to Yogurt-Normal. I think the thick nature of the scald caused the bottom to overheat. In the morning, I set the IP to Keep Warm-Less and that setting gave 53–55 °C for the remainder of the heating period.

At this point, I decided to deviate from Ginsberg’s instructions and follow the Latvian recipe as described by Sergey and @Martadella (Latgalian Rye). I felt that heating the sour-sponge at 55 °C would kill off most of the LAB and yeast. The Latvian instructions add the sour sponge to the scald at ≈50 °C and hold for 3 h without mixing and allowing the temperature to fall to 28–32 °C. The sponge is then mixed into the scald and held for another 3–4 h at 28–32 °C. I followed this method using the Yogurt-Less setting. I did find that the stiff sponge was difficult to incorporate into the thick scald, but I tried to smash it in as much as possible.

The next step adds yeast to the mixture to boost the leavening. I added SAF IDY, mixed well, and held overnight at ≈27 °C. The next morning, it was very bubbly and had pH 3.5. It also appeared to have hard particles as if the IDY had not dissolved. I will follow @Martadella’s method of pre-dissolving the IDY next time.

No changes were made in the final dough mixing and shaping. I used a sprayer to moisten the dough instead of brushing with water. Proofed for 46 min. Baked for 30 min at 250 °C and for 15 min at 200 °C; applied cornstarch glaze and baked for 3 min. It smelled wonderful while baking—sort of apple-malty(?).

The waiting before cutting is sooooo difficult…

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Benito

Cinnamon Raisin Sourdough Milk Bread 50% Whole Wheat

I needed more bread now that I’ve returned to Toronto.  Despite making 24 rolls there were none left after Christmas dinner!  I wanted to do the braiding again like the loaf I gave to Alfanso and show that it doesn’t have to have a pinched waist.  After baking this loaf, which admittedly is a bit darker than even I like because of the cinnamon sugar getting on the outside of the dough, I believe that my oven in Fort Lauderdale is running a bit low in temperature.  I’ll have to get an oven thermometer to check on it when I return.  This bake was also a test of my starter to see if it is up to snuff.  I’d say that it could still use a couple more feeds before I bake with it again.

For one 9x4x4” Pullman pan

 

Instructions

Levain

Mix the levain ingredients in a jar or pyrex container with space for at least 300% growth. 

Press down with your knuckles or silicone spatula to create a uniform surface and to push out air.

At a temperature of 76-78ºF, it typically takes up to 10-12 hours for this sweet stiff levain to be at peak.  For my starter I typically see 3-3.5 times increase in size at peak.  The levain will smell sweet with only a mild tang.

Tangzhong 

In a sauce pan set on medium heat, stir the milk and Whole wheat flour until blended. Then cook for several minutes until well thickened, stirring regularly with a spoon or heat-resistant spatula. Let cool in the pan or, for faster results, in a new bowl.  Theoretically it should reach 65ºC (149ºF) but I don’t find I need to measure the temperature as the tangzhong gelatinizes at this temperature.  You can prepare this the night before and refrigerate it, ensure that it is covered to prevent it from drying out.

 

If you plan on using a stand mixer to mix this dough, set up a Bain Marie and use your stand mixer’s bowl to prepare the tangzhong.

 

Raisins 

Place the raisins in a microwave safe bowl, spritz with water, cover with cling wrap and then microwave at 10 second intervals until the raisins are rehydrated.  Alternatively, soak in water overnight.  In the morning, strain and pat dry before use.

 

Cinnamon filling

12 g cinnamon 

30 g white sugar

7.5 g all purpose or bread flour

 

Combine cinnamon and sugar and flour and set aside.

 

Dough

In the bowl of a stand mixer, add the milk (consider holding back 10 g of milk and adding later if this is the first time you’re making this), egg, tangzhong, salt, sugar and levain.  Mix and then break up the levain into many smaller pieces.  Next add the flours.  I like to use my spatula to mix until there aren’t many dry areas.  Allow the flour to hydrate (fermentolyse) for 20-30 minutes.  Mix on low speed and then medium speed until moderate gluten development this may take 5-10 mins.  You may want to scrape the sides of the bowl during the first 5 minutes of mixing.  Next add room temperature butter one pat at a time.  The dough may come apart, be patient, continue to mix until it comes together before adding in more butter.  Once all the butter has been added and incorporated increase the speed gradually to medium. Mix at medium speed until the gluten is well developed, approximately 10 mins.  You will want to check gluten development by windowpane during this time and stop mixing when you get a good windowpane.  

 

On the counter, shape the dough into a tight ball, cover in the bowl and ferment for 4  hours at 82ºF.  There should be some rise visible at this stage.

 

You can next place the dough into the fridge to chill the dough for about 1.5 hours, this makes rolling the dough easier to shape.  Remember, if you do so the final proof will take longer.  Alternatively, you can do a cold retard in the fridge overnight, however, you may find that this increases the tang in your bread.

 

Prepare your pan by greasing them with butter or line with parchment paper.  

 

Divide the dough into 2 equal portions.  Form each into tight boules.  Stretch and then roll each piece of dough into a large rectangle, approximately equal sizes.   Spread the cinnamon sugar evenly over one of of the rectangles of dough leaving about 1cm at the edge of dough without mashed potato.  Lightly sprinkle some flour onto the cinnamon sugar, this will help absorb some of the water that the sugar draws out of the dough.  Spread the prepared raisins next.  Place the other rectangle of dough onto the other sandwiching the sweet potato between them.  Using a rolling pin, roll the dough out a bit more aiming for more than 12” in length and just under 9” in width.  

 

Using a ruler and pizza cutter, cut the dough into evenly wide strips about 1.5-2 cm wide along the length of the dough but leaving about 2-4 cm of dough uncut at the end furthest away from you.  When all the strips are cut, twist the strips in alternating directions, clockwise and then counter clockwise.  Once all the strips are twisted, roll the whole thing into a log starting furthest away from you getting a nice tight roll at the start.  Transfer the dough into your prepared pullman pan with the seam side down.

 

Place in the buttered baking pan seam side down.

 

Cover and let proof for  4-6 hours at a warm temperature.  I proof at 82°F.  You will need longer than 4-6 hours if you chilled your dough for shaping. I proof until the top of the dough comes to within 1 cm of the top edge of the pan.

 

Preheat the oven to 350F and brush the dough with the egg-milk wash.  Just prior to baking brush with the egg-milk wash again.

 

Bake the loaves for 50 minutes or until the internal temperature is at least 190ºF, rotating as needed to get even browning. Shield your loaf if it gets brown early in the baking process. After 50 mins remove the bread from the pan and bake a further 10 mins by placing the loaf directly in the oven on the rack with the oven turned down to 325ºF. You can brush the top of the loaf with butter if you wish at this point while the bread is still hot to keep the top crust soft.  

 

A note, if there is a good amount of cinnamon sugar on the top of the dough, then watch it like a hawk while it bakes and be ready to shield it if it starts to brown quickly because of the sugar.  I did not do that soon enough with my loaf.

My index of bakes.

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Mangia Pane

Spelt Bread Bakers. Do you use a Dough Conditioner?

I have been making whole spelt bread for many years now. The trouble with spelt bread is it is low in gluten. This makes it tricky to get consistent results. I heard there is a produt that is called a dough conditioner that can help. Has anyone here had experience with dough conditioner while baking spelt flour bread? My main issue is the loaves can sometimes have the raised roof appearance. Other than that it’s pretty darn good in every other way, especially the taste. Thanks for your input and Seasons Greetings to all!

Edit: The dough conditioner I am talking about is Vital Wheat Protein Gluten. It adds gluten that is lacking in some flour to help the bread dough have a better consistency.

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Econprof

Christmas baking

Ok, it isn’t all bread, but bread is prominently featured. My husband has been talking up my baking to his family so I couldn’t disappoint them. Most of this is now packed up in a suitcase on its way to Bangalore. Fingers crossed there is something left other than crumbs!

Breads, left to right:

Ginger plum loaf from the Rye Baker with triple the ginger and 1.5x the prunes

Spelt, rye, and whole wheat loaf from Perfect Loaf (https://www.theperfectloaf.com/spelt-rye-and-whole-wheat-sourdough-bread/)

Latgalian rye from the Rye Baker website, broken into 2 small loaves (http://theryebaker.com/latgalian-rye/)

Cookies, clockwise from bottom left:

Alfajores with goat’s milk caramel from Stella Parks (https://www.seriouseats.com/alfajores-vanilla-shortbread-milk-toffee-caramel-recipe)

Screaming ginger cookies from Alice Medrich (https://www.jamesbeard.org/recipes/my-ginger-cookies)

Christmas biscotti from Tish Boyle (http://tishboyle.blogspot.com/2010/12/christmas-biscotti.html?m=1)

Licorice brownie cookies from Jesse Szewczyk (https://food52.com/recipes/77735-salty-black-licorice-brownie-cookies)

Italian rainbow cookies from Smitten Kitchen (https://smittenkitchen.com/2008/12/seven-layer-cookies/)

Ginger crunch from David Lebovitz (https://www.davidlebovitz.com/ginger-slice-crunch-shortbread-recipe/)

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Debra Wink

A Bread Symphony

... or, the Bread Ballet? Nice choreography, ChainBaker :)

The beauty of breadmaking. - YouTube

Merry Christmas!
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onipar

Help troubleshooting failed panettone

Two years in a row I've had failed panettone. I Just don't know what has gone wrong. Basically everything goes perfectly all the way through to molding the dough, and then they just don't rise, or only rise a little bit. The current batch has been rising for roughly 19 hours (!!!) and is only about halfway up the mold.

First, an important question: how long can I safely let these "rise" before baking? I feel like this is a ridiculous amount of time already, but I'm trying to be patient. 

Now, some details:

  • They are rising in a proofing box at a static 27-29 degrees C.
  • I've had success with this recipe in the past: https://www.greatitalianchefs.com/recipes/panettone-recipe
  • My LM is very active, tripling in three hours
  • I have been strengthening and refreshing my LM for weeks, and used it successfully in a brioche as well as a regular sourdough loaf (which I know isn't nearly as hard to leaven). 
  • The "first dough" easily triples overnight (about twelve hours).
  • I'm getting good gluten formation with successful windowpane tests.
  • I do not have a PH meter, so I'm not sure about the PH
  • In this batch I even added 1/4 teaspoon of instant yeast during first dough to ensure a proper rise (I don't normally do this, but I felt it necessary after my other recent failures).  

You might be able to see why I'm at such a loss. I'm far (FAR) from an expert though, so I'm hoping maybe I'm missing something obvious.

I keep coming back to one of two scenarios.

  1. My LM, despite all appearances, is somehow just not strong enough to raise the final dough, even with the help of the 1/4 tsp instant yeast. 
  2. One of the ingredients I'm adding during the second dough is stunting/killing the yeast.

Possible culprits? I add vanilla extract instead of vanilla bean. Can alcohol stunt it? I recently read that raisins might have chemicals on them that could negatively effect the yeast. I didn't rinse them, but I did soak them. Orange blossom water was added, but that's normal I thought. Iodized salt? (I was out of fine sea salt). I make sure to use unsalted butter. 

Sorry if this is a hodgepodge of rambling thoughts, but as I said, I'm completely flummoxed. Any help troubleshooting is greatly appreciated. And again, letting me know how long I should let them sit in hopes of a slow rise continuing.

Here are some pictures of the dough at various stages. 

Thanks again! 

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Yippee

20221214 Homemade lard

 

 

I need some lard for baking. Instead of buying hydrogenated lard at the supermarket, I air fry strips of (lightly seasoned) pork fat @ 200°C x 13 minutes to render lard. Re-fry the strips @ 200°C until crispy and use them in soup noodles, fry rice, or eat them as is as a snack.

 

 

 

 

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👏👏👏

 

Porky fries🐖🐖🐖😋😋😋 Some say it goes well with beer!

 

Noodles with cracklins (🐷)油渣麵 - an authentic Hong Kong street food.  I followed Jerry's recipe

 

Also made a whole-spelt noodle version, but I forgot to add the cracklins to the broth!

 

A whole-durum noodle version. This time I made sure I didn't leave out the cracklins!

 

I could have lowered the frying temperature to make it more "snowy-white",  but I think it's not bad for a first try.

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Ilya Flyamer

Easy sourdough deli rye

Haven't posted anything for a while, thought to rectify with this quick and easy recipe for sourdough deli rye bread.

Here is the formula: https://fgbc.dk/2rfu

Process is simple. Refresh a rye starter, so you have enough (I keep mine in the fridge, and I fed it in the morning with warm water and it was ready in the afternoon), keep it at 28C. Just before going to sleep, make a somewhat stiff rye preferment with all of the rye flour for the bake, keep at 28C for around 8-9 hours - it should grow significantly, get spongy, acquire prominent sour smell. In the morning mix the final dough, using warm water. I used a mix of 1:1 Ruchmehl (Swiss very high extraction flour) and white bread flour for the non-rye portion. It should be on the stiffer side, around 70% hydration in my case. Keep the dough warm (28-30C), for me bulk was done in under 2 hours! It grows quite a lot and quite quickly. I gave it a couple of sets of folds in that time to strengthen the dough.

Turn out the dough, divide into portions, preshape. Leave for 20 min, then shape. The dough doesn't handle very tight shaping, the prettier of the two breads was just shaped by flattening of the preshaped boule, folding and then rolling like baguettes to give a nice tapered shape.

Final proof on a couche, time would depend on the temperature, I gave them around 1 hr and then baked the first one with steam (20 with, then until done without), while the second one was moved to the balcony with around 0C there. I think the second one was proofed a little better, so perhaps I jumped the gun with the first one somewhat. Not sure baking with steam was the right choice, but that's up to the baker. I also applied a cornstarch glaze when taking them out of the oven.

I am no expert on what deli rye bread tastes like, but this is the taste I remember from the community bake a couple of years ago, and from my few encounters with this style of bread "in the wild" - except the crust, I guess it shouldn't be baked with steam?

Anyway, a very quick recipe (bread can be ready for lunch, just need to start the preferment) with convenient easy to use and remember gram measurements!

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louiscohen

Bread Code 100% WW @ 85% Hydration

From The Bread Code https://youtu.be/ImVvQMvGZKE  Here's how it came out:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1oNFm7zDfmZRgmmC6

It's a straight dough with 20% starter and 85% hydration.  After hand mixing to incorporation, I did 10 minutes of Rubaud's method, waited 5 minutes, and then tried kneading on the bench.  That didn't seem to be getting anywhere (think of a stiff batter spread out on the table), so I waited a few minutes and did a bunch of stretch-and-folds; it started to feel like dough.  

After 3 folds 30 minutes apart (the first was a lamination fold to work the chopped onion in) I put it in the proofer overnight at 75 F, and got a really nice increase in volume.  But when I pulled the dough out of the bowl in the morning it felt pretty weak.  I preshaped, rested 20 minutes, then tried to shape a batard.  The dough was still sticky and I had not floured the board, so the result was not pretty.

Two hours in the banneton in the proofer at 75 F seemed about right by the poke test.  Then into the freezer for 30 minutes, spritzed, seeded, scored, and baked in the dutch.

It didn't have a great volume, and the poor shaping looked really lousy; I wasn't going to share any photos.  But after slicing off the ugly end for lunch (sopping up home-made turkey soup) it looked OK and tested very nice if you like 100% WW.  And the crosssection, if a bit low, had an OK shape.  The crumb was more open than I expected.  

I would do this again, but shape a boule and use the smaller dutch oven for some support during baking.  

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Possum-Pie

Peasant bread fell flat

Hi all, Yesterday I was making peasant bread with 25% whole wheat flour 75% AP flour. I've made it before and had success. I used instant dry yeast, first proof was fine, the second took longer than expected. It was evening so I got the not-so-bright idea of draping the loaves in plastic wrap and putting in the fridge overnight to bake the next day. This morning they were completely flat like Naan. The plastic wrap failed to prevent dehydration. I took them out, spritzed them top and bottom with water, tucked the ends under and brought the sides under, and pinched to re-form loaves. They are currently in the oven with the light on and a half gallon of boiling water to humidify the dough again...Is there any hope? 

 

I'm relatively new to bread/roll baking and ALWAYS have trouble with my second rise not being right. I keep my house at 67 degrees F. so always have to put the dough in the oven or microwave with hot water to get a decent rise, but whatever I do, rolls/bread never puff up to anticipated hights and the bread/roll is always a bit on the dense side. 

If a recipe says rise 45 min or until doubled, It takes closer to 1 1/2 hours, and the final rise after shaping is never done in under 3 hours.  I used to use Active Dry yeast but recently switched to instant/breadmaker yeast to see if that helps (it doesn't). 

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