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Isand66

Ricotta Sourdough Rolls

 

     Grilling season is upon us so I needed to make some soft tasty rolls for burgers.  These are pretty straight forward and ended up just as I expected.

I used a combination of freshly milled and double sifted Butlers Gold whole wheat flour from Barton Springs Mill and KAF bread flour plus some KAF AP in the starter.  Softened butter along with the ricotta cheese really added to the softness of the crumb and the honey added just enough sweetness to pull it all together.

I use some everything bagel topping on some and toasted onions as well as poppy seeds on others.

Give these a try and I am confident you won’t be disappointed.

Formula

Levain Directions

Mix all the levain ingredients together for about 1 minute and cover with plastic wrap.  Let it sit at room temperature for around 7-8 hours or until the starter has doubled.  I usually do this the night before.

Either use in the main dough immediately or refrigerate for up to 1 day before using.

 Main Dough Procedure

Mix the flours and water together in your mixer or by hand until it just starts to come together, maybe about 1 minute.  Let it rest in your work bowl covered for 20-30 minutes.  After 30 minutes or so  add the salt, starter (cut into about 7-8 pieces), ricotta cheese, softened butter and honey and mix on low for 5 minutes.  (If using the Ankarsrum you can mix for around 12-15 minutes on medium low).  Remove the dough from your bowl and place it in a lightly oiled bowl or work surface and do several stretch and folds.  Let it rest covered for 10-15 minutes and then do another stretch and fold.  Let it rest another 10-15 minutes and do one additional stretch and fold.  After a total of 2 hours place your covered bowl in the refrigerator and let it rest for 12 to 24 hours.

When you are ready to bake remove the bowl from the refrigerator and let it set out at room temperature still covered for 1.5 to 2 hours.  Remove the dough and shape into rolls around 125 -150 grams each.  Cover the rolls with a moist tea towel or plastic wrap Sprayed with cooking spray and let rise at room temperature for 1 1/2 – 2 hours.

Around 45 minutes before ready to bake, pre-heat your oven to 500 degrees F. and prepare it for steam.  I have a heavy-duty baking pan on the bottom rack of my oven with 1 baking stone on above the pan and one on the top shelf.  I pour 1 cup of boiling water in the pan right after I place the dough in the oven.

Right before you are ready to put them in the oven, use an egg wash and add your toppings.  Next add 1 cup of boiling water to your steam pan or follow your own steam procedure.

After 1 minute lower the temperature to 425 degrees.  Bake for 25 minutes or until the rolls are nice and brown.

Take the rolls out of the oven when done and let them cool on a bakers rack for as long as you can resist.

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Ricko

Suggested Floor Temps

I have a Zio Ciro “Subito Cotto” wood fired pizza oven that allows me to obtain a floor temp of 700-750°F for beautiful pizzas. I would like to try some bread in it, but I'm unsure of what floor temp is ideal for sliding a bread pan or free standing sourdough loaf onto. 

When using a wood fired oven, do you feed it with wood during a bread bake, or do you get the temp high, stop feeding wood, and then slide the bread to be baked into the oven on the cool down?

I suppose bread is no different than pizza, in that it constantly has to be rotated so as not to burn on the side closest to the burning wood. 

How do you find the smoke taste the burning wood imparts to your bread? 

Thanks for the info before I get started on this new venture!

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Jmcousino

White Whole Wheat Sandwich Loaf

I was given a recipe for a large batch size and need to scale the formula back to a recipe which will make 2 loaves approx 700 g after final bake.  

 

Original Formula (20 loaves):

autolyse:5700g Bread Flour3500g WaterAdd:1700g White whole wheat1500g Starter @50%2700g Water150g SaltTotal water: 6700gTotal flour: 8400gHydration: 79.8% New adjusted formula for 2 loaves using Breadcalc: autolyse:570g Bread Flour350g WaterAdd:170g White whole wheat150g Starter @50%270g Water15g SaltTotal water: 670gTotal flour: 840gHydration: 79.8% My question is this. The original formula assumes a starter of 50% hydration. I can build this starter using 100 g flour and 50 g water. Which is fine however I am more used to a 100% starter. If I where to build my stater using 30 g starter and 60 g flour and water what needs adjusted in the 2 batch formula above to maintain the 79.8% overall hydration give or take a few decimal points? No matter what I do I am struggling to obtain the overall hydration that I want from the original formula. Thanks for any and all advise this forum can provide me.

 

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Ricko

Milling Combinations

I'm new to this whole milling thing which has given cause for confusion and what seems like hundreds of questions. 

First, is there such a thing as a good book on the subject to help clear up the confusion?

Considering that there are so many different berries available, such as, 

  • Hard, Red, Winter Wheat
  • Hard, White, Winter Wheat
  • Hard, Red, Spring Wheat
  • Hard, White, Spring Wheat
  • Soft, Red, Winter Wheat
  • Soft, White, Winter Wheat
  • Soft, Red, Spring Wheat
  • Soft, White, Spring Wheat
  • how does one even begin to decide which berries to mill. Shoot, a person could become berry poor if one started ordering 25# bags of all these varieties!! I'm sure it comes down to type of bread and taste one prefers. In order to make this discussion simple, let's take into consideration a white table/ sandwich bread with a robust taste. Something the complete opposite of that mushy, tasteless Wonder Bread found at my local grocery. Many thx for the enlightenment!!

 

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Lila

Good source for spices?

I just started selling sourdough and sourdough sweet Buns and sweet breads at the local farmers market. And am realizing that when baking in bulk buying spices at a local supermarket is unaffordable. I buy bensdorp Cocoa from Amazon olive nation reseller, but they don't have spices. Can anyone recommend a good source for good quality (preferably organic) spices? Thank you!!

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Breadzik

Achieving the correct temperature for Berliner Kurzsauer?

Hi!

I recently made the "Lifted" Country Boule from Ginsberg's "The Rye Baker". I was intrigued by it because it promised a fully realized rye loaf in about 6 hours; pre-ferment included. It achieves this by the use of "Berliner Kurzsauer" or "Berlin Quick Sponge" that ferments for 3-4 hours at 95 F. In order to achieve this temperature I calculated the water temperature by using the DDT method from Hamelman. This method has served me well. However, in this case, after I mixed the ingredients the temperature was almost 10 F higher, at 104 F. Since I use 5 F as "friction factor" (FF) if I mix by hand as in this case, should I just make that 15 F next time? But I'm worried that I might overshoot it in the other direction (undershoot it?) as I find it quicker to cool the dough than to warm it up but ideally would want to be on target. Another thing was that the calculated water temperature was 160 F! I usually disperse the sourdough starter in the water but this was a high temperature and I didn't want to kill the microbes so I mixed the flour and water first. But then I realized it might be high enough to gelatinize the flour and I don't know if that's intended or beneficial for this method? In any case I added the starter after that and went on with the rest of the recipe. I must report the bread came out very good but am am unsure if I achieved the intended result. Neither Ginsberg nor homebaking.at (which seems to be the source of the recipe) discuss how to achieve that temperature and possible pitfalls and none of my questions are addressed in the recipe. They only mention that maintaining that 95 F temperature is imperative for the sponge to develop properly. Did anyone make this bread? Or used this sponge and can offer any insights or observations?

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cfraenkel

Easy summer whole wheat

There is nothing like waking up and realizing there is no bread for your morning toast.  I ended up having to eat yogurt for breakfast!

I threw this loaf together with very little fuss, and 24 hours later there was bread. 

I mixed up what amounted to 175 g of ripe active starter at 100% hydration.

added:

290 g. of All purpose flour

204 g of hard white whole wheat

314 g of water

11 g. of salt

to the 175 g of levain. 

I mixed it with the awesome dough wand thing I found at of all places the dollarama.  (best $1.25 I have spent in a long time) Left it on the counter, went about my morning, gave it a stretch and fold in the tub, took the dog for a walk, gave it another fold in the tub and then left it to ferment.  After dinner (it's cold here...) I shaped it and stuck it in the fridge in the banneton with a cover.  Baked it up this morning and it is great!  A lovely soft even crumb, perfect for toast and sandwiches.  Had to write it down so I remember it.

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rff000

Using cultures from a lab

Several years ago I visited a baking laboratory in Moscow and I mentioned my interest in trying some of their cultures. I had been baking sourdough rye with a homemade culture that I made simply by grinding some rye grains and letting the mixture wait until I got some sourness and wild yeast action. I saved the dried cultures I got from Moscow and never bothered to use them because my results were good with my homemade culture. The Moscow cultures were like hard, dry lumps of flour and I put them in my freezer.

They gave me these two cultures:

1. saccharomyces cerevisiae 69

2. lactobacillus delbrueckii D-30

I finally decided to try the cultures out a day or so ago and took a little pinch of each and added them to a mixture of water and whole grain flour (rye and wheat) and now I have a bubbling result.

I had no recipe or guidance, so I'm wondering if I should wait until the mixture smells sour to use it. Also, did I use the correct procedure in combining these two cultures. Is the first one just equivalent to commercial yeast?

Thanks for any comments.

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painterman

spiral stand mixer

I would like to upgrade to a for home use spiral stand mixer. It needs to mix pizza dough at a 60% hydration and bagel dough at a 53% hydration. It will never exceed 1000 g of flour. Opinions anyone.  

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big_weight

Cutting Levain in Half - Warm Texas Kitchen

Mixed up a batch of FWSY Overnight Country Blonde, which calls for 216 g of levain.  Bulk fermentation completed in 8-9 hours.  I want the bulk fermentation to take longer so I can leave it unattended "overnight", so I used only 108 g of levain.

To compensate, I added the flour and water that otherwise would have been provided in the additional 108 g of levain, thereby preserving the original final baker's percentages.  Bulk fermentation for this mix took 12 hours - just right for my schedule.  I have two loaves proofing as I type.

Are there any other items I need to consider when reducing the levain amout?

Thanks,

Bill

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