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Very nice early morning bake off. Now the part I hate merchandising.

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Benito

Yorkville Sourdough Baguettes

I know I’ve made these many times trying to improve them, but I think for the flour that I use which is an organic AP equivalent to T55 I have settled on what I think is the ideal hydration and degree of fermentation.  I have baked another set today along with the pie for a dinner party we are throwing tonight.  Hopefully our guests will enjoy the meal.  The main course is a miso vinegar chicken dish with peperoncinis and peppers.  Both the miso and the red wine vinegar I make myself, the miso is fermented for 1 year.

Overnight Levain build ferment 75°F 10-12 hours

78°F 9 hours to peak

 

In the morning, to your mixing bowl add  water and diastatic malt  to dissolve, then add levain.  Use your spatula to cut the levain into small pieces.  Next add AP flour and mix to combine.  Allow to fermentolyse for 10 mins.  Slap and fold x 100 then add salt and hold back water gradually working in until fully absorbed by massaging and then Rubaud kneading the dough, then slap and fold x 200.  Can also use your stand mixer.

 

Bulk Fermentation 82*F until aliquot jar shows 20% rise.

Do folds every 20 mins doing 3 folds

Could do cold retard at this point for  up to overnight. (Aliquot jar 20% rise)

 

Divide and pre-shape rest for 15 mins

Shape en couche with final proof until aliquot jar shows 55% rise then (optional) cold retard shaped baguettes en couche for at least 15 minutes for easier scoring.  I often do this for convenience as the oven is pre-heating as well as to make the dough much easier to score.

 

Pre-heat oven 500*F after 30 mins add Silvia towel in pan with boiling water.

Transfer baguettes from couche to peel on parchment

Score each baguette and transfer to oven, bake on steel.

Bake with steam pouring 1 cup of boiling water to cast iron skillet dropping temperature to 480*F. 

The baguettes are baked with steam for 13 mins.  The steam equipment is removed venting the oven of steam.  Transfer the baguettes from the baking steel to next rack completing baking directly on a rack to minimize the browning and thickening of the bottom crust.  The oven is dropped to 450ºF but convection is turned on and the baguettes bake for 10 mins rotating them halfway.  The baguettes are rotated again if needed and baked for another 3 mins to achieve a rich colour crust.

I try to leave a bit more space so the ears are a bit wider.  I have found that this reduces the broken straps that I often get.  It worked for the most part with only one broken strap.  I think I can still be scoring more deeply, but really I cannot complain, they baked up pretty well I think.

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gabev50

How much does hydration affect bulk fermentation?

Hi all, as seen in the photo there are two different doughs, which have clearly fermented at different rates. This was a fairly controlled experiment, all the variables were the same, except the hydration. 

(dough on left: 58%) (dough on right: 94%) (5% starter)

My question is why did the left side dough ferment so much slower? I would think it certainly has more gluten development than the 94%, or is that the issue? Does hydration affect bulk fermentation that significantly? But, it looks like it’s getting there, it will stay put until it’s done. Thanks for any feedback. 

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Benito

Whole Red Fife Whole Wheat Walnut Oil Sourdough Shokupan

I was thinking the other day about eliminating the butter from my milk breads and remembered the bottle of toasted walnut oil in my cupboard that needed to be used, so I came up with this loaf.  I was in a rush out the door at the time I needed to shape this so I did the lazy thing and shaped it as a batard and not into my usual four lobes.  I actually quite like how this turned out visually especially when topped with black sesame seeds.

For one 9x4x4” Pullman pan loaf.

 

Instructions

Levain

Mix the levain ingredients in a jar or pyrex container with space for at least 300% growth. 

Press down with your knuckles or silicone spatula to create a uniform surface and to push out air.

At a temperature of 76-78ºF, it typically takes up to 10-12 hours for this sweet stiff levain to be at peak.  For my starter I typically see 3-3.5 times increase in size at peak.  The levain will smell sweet with only a mild tang.

 

Tangzhong 

In a sauce pan set on medium heat, stir the milk and whole red fife flour until blended. Then cook for several minutes until well thickened, stirring regularly with a spoon or heat-resistant spatula. Let cool in the pan or, for faster results, in a new bowl.  Theoretically it should reach 65ºC (149ºF) but I don’t find I need to measure the temperature as the tangzhong gelatinizes at this temperature.  You can prepare this the night before and refrigerate it, ensure that it is covered to prevent it from drying out.

 

If you plan on using a stand mixer to mix this dough, set up a Bain Marie and use your stand mixer’s bowl to prepare the tangzhong.

 

Dough

In the bowl of a stand mixer, add the milk (consider holding back 10 g of milk and adding later if this is the first time you’re making this), egg, tangzhong, salt, sugar and levain.  Mix and then break up the levain into many smaller pieces.  Next add the flour.  I like to use my spatula to mix until there aren’t many dry areas.  Allow the flour to hydrate (fermentolyse) for 20-30 minutes.  Mix on low speed and then medium speed until moderate gluten development this may take 5-10 mins.  You may want to scrape the sides of the bowl during the first 5 minutes of mixing.  Next drizzle in the walnut oil a bit at a time.  The dough may come apart, be patient, continue to mix until it comes together before adding in more oI’ll.  Again, knead until well incorporated.  You will want to check gluten development by windowpane during this time and stop mixing when you get a good windowpane.  You should be able to pull a good windowpane, not quite as good as a white flour because the bran will interrupt the windowpane somewhat. 

 

On the counter, shape the dough into a tight ball, cover in the bowl and ferment for 2 - 4 hours at 82ºF.  There should be some rise visible at this stage.

 

You can next place the dough into the fridge to chill the dough for about 1.5 hours, this makes rolling the dough easier to shape.  Remember, if you do so the final proof will take longer.  Alternatively, you can do a cold retard in the fridge overnight, however, you may find that this increases the tang in your bread.

 

Prepare your pans by greasing them with butter or oil or line with parchment paper.  

 

Lightly floaf the top of the dough. Scrape the dough out onto a clean counter top and shape as a batard.  Transfer to your prepared pan.

 

Cover and let proof for  4-6 hours at a warm temperature.  I proof at 82°F.  You will need longer than 4-6 hours if you chilled your dough for shaping. I proof until the top of the dough comes to within 1 cm of the top edge of the pan.

 

Preheat the oven to 350F and brush the dough with the egg-milk wash.  Just prior to baking brush with the egg-milk wash again and then top with black sesame seeds.  Score the dough, this is optional.

 

Bake the loaves for 50 minutes or until the internal temperature is at least 190ºF, rotating as needed to get even browning. Shield your loaf if it gets brown early in the baking process. After 50 mins remove the bread from the pan and bake a further 10 mins by placing the loaf directly in the oven on the rack with the oven turned down to 325ºF.

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Elijana

Beginner

Hi everyone, i am new at sourdough, my starter is 9days old, last night I left it instead with lid on, i put a towel , so it seems vey dry and has yellowish color, so is it bad and should i throw it

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Sour_Baker

Changing of the weather, changing starter formula?

Title says it all. Do you guys change your starter in any way to accommodate the weather, or do you keep it controlled all year round?

 

ever since it got cold-ish (in the south), my starter is slower and way more vinegary at its peak. 

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Benito

Braided Purple Sweet Potato 20% Whole Wheat Sourdough Milk Bread

I was going to add cinnamon to the purple sweet potato but realized that I wanted this bread for sandwiches so the cinnamon wouldn’t be a good idea.  However, if this bread was for toast, adding some cinnamon to the purple sweet potato would have been delicious.  To make this bread, you’ll need to prepare some mashed purple sweet potato.  I did this a while back, then portioned and froze the portions in ziplock bags.  Once defrosted I blend the mash with a combination of sugar and flour.  I have found that when there is a sweet filling in my breads that the sugar draws out water from the dough.  This ends up causing problems with separation between the filling and bread and also collapsing or a pinched waist in the baked bread.  To counter this, I have found that adding some flour to the filling helps absorb the water coming out of the dough, so far this has worked every time.

For one 9x4x4” Pullman pan loaf.

 

Purple Sweet Potato Filling

100 g mashed sweet potato

12 g granulated sugar

12 g flour

Mix together and set aside.

 

Egg/milk wash: 1 yolk and 1 tbsp milk, beaten

 

Instructions

Levain

Mix the levain ingredients in a jar or pyrex container with space for at least 300% growth. 

Press down with your knuckles or silicone spatula to create a uniform surface and to push out air.

At a temperature of 76-78ºF, it typically takes up to 10-12 hours for this sweet stiff levain to be at peak.  For my starter I typically see 3-3.5 times increase in size at peak.  The levain will smell sweet with only a mild tang.

Tangzhong 

In a sauce pan set on medium heat, stir the milk and whole wheat flour until blended. Then cook for several minutes until well thickened, stirring regularly with a spoon or heat-resistant spatula. Let cool in the pan or, for faster results, in a new bowl.  Theoretically it should reach 65ºC (149ºF) but I don’t find I need to measure the temperature as the tangzhong gelatinizes at this temperature.  You can prepare this the night before and refrigerate it, ensure that it is covered to prevent it from drying out.

 

If you plan on using a stand mixer to mix this dough, set up a Bain Marie and use your stand mixer’s bowl to prepare the tangzhong.

 

Dough

In the bowl of a stand mixer, add the milk (consider holding back 10 g of milk and adding later if this is the first time you’re making this), egg, tangzhong, salt, sugar and levain.  Mix and then break up the levain into many smaller pieces.  Next add the flours.  I like to use my spatula to mix until there aren’t many dry areas.  Allow the flour to hydrate (fermentolyse) for 20-30 minutes.  Mix on low speed and then medium speed until moderate gluten development this may take 5-10 mins.  You may want to scrape the sides of the bowl during the first 5 minutes of mixing.  Next add room temperature butter one pat at a time.  The dough may come apart, be patient, continue to mix until it comes together before adding in more butter.  You will want to check gluten development by windowpane during this time and stop mixing when you get a good windowpane.  You should be able to pull a good windowpane.

 

On the counter, shape the dough into a tight ball, cover in the bowl and ferment for 2 - 4 hours at 82ºF.  There should be some rise visible at this stage, I typically shape once there is 20-40% rise.

 

Butter a large baking pan.  Punch the dough down and then divide into 2 equal portions.  Form each into tight boules.  Stretch and then roll each piece of dough into a large rectangle, approximately equal sizes.  Spread the prepared purple sweet potato filling evenly over one of of the rectangles of dough leaving about 1cm at the edge of dough without mashed potato.  Place the other rectangle of dough onto the other sandwiching the sweet potato between them.  Using a rolling pin, roll the dough out a bit more aiming for more than 12” in length and just under 9” in width.  

 

Using a ruler and pizza cutter, cut the dough into evenly wide strips about 1.5-2 cm wide along the length of the dough but leaving about 2-4 cm of dough uncut at the end furthest away from you.  When all the strips are cut, twist the strips in alternating directions, clockwise and then counter clockwise.  Once all the strips are twisted, roll the whole thing into a log starting furthest away from you getting a nice tight roll at the start.  Transfer the dough into your prepared pullman pan with the seam side down.

 

Place in the buttered baking pan seem side down.  Cover them and allow them to fully proof until the top of the dough reaches within 1 cm of the rim of the pan.

 

When there is about 30 mins left of proofing time, prepare your egg and milk wash and then brush the top of the loaf.

 

About 30 mins prior to end of final proof preheat the oven to 350°F. 

Immediately prior to baking brush the dough again with the egg and milk mixture.

 

Bake the bread for 50 minutes or until the internal temperature is at least 190F. Cover if your loaf gets brown early in the baking process.

 

Remove the bread from the pan and return to the oven baking directly on the rack if the sides of the loaf aren’t yet crisp baking for another 5-10 mins.  Cool on a rack, enjoy.

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louiscohen

Levain or Lots of Culture

I noticed that most of the sourdough formulas in "Bread" use a levain (or sponge or sourdough if you prefer) of 15-20% of the total flour weight with white flour and 30-40% in the sourdough rye chapter. The levain builds are usually 20% (of the levain) mature culture. 

"Baking and Pastry", the CIA baking text (at least the old one I have) writes most of the sourdough breads as straight doughs with 30-40% (of the final dough) mature sourdough culture.

This seemed odd until I realized that if you elaborate out your starter the day before to the quantity that goes into the CIA final (only) dough, that's essentially the same as building a levain.  The difference is just that you call it elaborating the culture/starter rather than building a levain.  

Is there any real difference between these approaches, and their results, beyond what you call it?  I suppose you could use a levain with different flour(s) or hydration than the starter for some effect.  But most of Hamelman's formulas remind the reader to pull out a piece of the levain to propagate the starter (suggesting that the levain is the same as the mature culture). 

Thanks

 

 

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The Roadside Pi...

Wilson!!! Baby steps

Good morning, Wilson.

 I am thinking to challenge myself with another try at my unicorn, Panettone. Could you please share with me your favorite commercial yeast Panettone formula? I am thinking to get the complicated heavy inclusion dough down pat, then progress to the more traditional leivto Madre variety. Thanks for any help

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Will Falzon 

 

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Ilya Flyamer

Seeded rye bread

Been a while since I posted any bakes, finally decided to do it again. Baked this mostly rye bread (about 70% whole rye and the rest bread flour) with seeds over the weekend.

Didn't measure everything very carefully, but vaguely:

200 g liquid-ish rye starter, perhaps 150% hydration or so

Preferement with the starter, and 200 g whole rye flour, 250 g warm water. Also added a few pieces of old white bread as altus - soaked it with hot water first, but seems like not long enough, some pieces didn't fully disintegrate, it seems. A a few hours at 28C until well risen and a little sour.

Final dough with about ~500 g whole rye flour, ~300 g bread flour, 150 g toasted and soaked mixed seeds (crushed linseed, pumpkin and sunflower), 14 g salt, tablespoon of malt extract, warm water until dough resembles a soft paste. Fermented around 3 hrs at 30C until well risen and shows holes on the surface. Poured into tins, smoothed the top, sprinkled sunflower seeds. Final proof at 33C until well risen. Sprinkled surface with water, baked in a hot oven(started 240C after a few min reduced to 200C) until done. When taking out sprinkled with water again, wrapped in a towel to cool down.

Surprisingly light, and has a nutty taste from the seeds.

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