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chris319's picture

Small Ovens for Bread

Does anyone have experience using a countertop pizza oven to bake something the size of, say, a boule?

My big oven is, well, big. It has a huge volume of unused space inside which gets heated up -- way too much space for a loaf of bread or some biscuits. It draws 2,400 watts.

I've tried a toaster oven but direct exposure to the heating elements tends to burn things (especially the bottoms) unless you take elaborate measures to diffuse the heat. I'm looking for something smaller and more energy efficient and which will not burn the bottom or any other part of a loaf.

The first problem I see is that a pizza is flat and a loaf of bread is 2 to 4 inches high, so any oven would have to accomodate the height of a loaf.

Any success stories with pizza ovens? I'm also considering electric skillets and roaster ovens.

Even my big oven had a tendency to burn the bottoms of baked goods due to the direct exposure to the heating elements.

souocara's picture

Help! Too much oven spring I think?

So I am fairly new to bread baking, and am having trouble with a no knead boule type recipe.  My dough has been in the fridge for about a week now, and seems to be in great shape.  But when I bake it you can see what happens in the picture.  I shaped a small round loaf using a softball size amount of dough.  I had a baking stone in the oven preheated to about 450.  I let the dough rest for about 40 minutes (per instructions) before baking it.  I don't know if I am getting too much oven spring, or if it is the way I am shaping the loaf, or something else.  Any ideas?

Sorry, it looks like the picture is rotated.

Thanks for any advice!

decatur's picture

Crust color mystery!

Hello, these loaves are basically Robertson Tartine using KAAF and are from the same bake.  The size differential is due to the lazy baker who failed to weigh the loaves.  The color differential has happened repeatedly (even when I measure weights).  This has happened time and again.  I retard my loaves overnight in the refrigerator in couch lined with linen with encrusted rice flour - I rarely add more rice flour.  The loaves come out beautifully from the couch.   I bake in a home electric oven (old Dacor) and use a steam hood (chaffing dish cover with hole) and steam generator.  Since I cannot fit the two loaves under my steam hood I bake them one at a time.  The bake was done with preheat to 550 degrees convection with a baking stone filling almost all of the rack.  I remove one loaf from refrigeration, load one loaf, steam for 30 sec and turn oven down to 425 degrees.  Leaving steam in place for 18 minutes and removing lid to finish the bake for about 12 minutes.  I reheat the oven at 550 degrees until the stone is hot (using a heat gun to check), take the second loaf out of the refrigerator and do the exact same thing with the second loaf.  The white loaf above is the second loaf in this bake and it is always the second loaf that is whiter!  The crusts are similar in texture and the crumb is the same and very nice.  Has anyone seen this phenomenon?  Any explanation?  Any cure???  Thanks to you all in advance!  Jane

dabrownman's picture

CeciC’s Crackers with Added Yeast Water.

The other day CeciC posted some fantastic looking crackers made without any leavening at all here


As soon as I saw them I new Lucy and I would have to give them a go since we have wanted to make crackers for just about forever.


We followed the recipe except we cut it in half and added 1/4 C if Yeast water levain made for these crackers.  We also used yogurt whey instead of kefir whey.


The first batch was the sesame and flax version made whole wheat.  The 2nd batch was part semolina, spelt and farina with fresh rosemary, pecorino and parmesan ....and a few sesame and flax seeds that were left ver in teh bowl of the food processor because Lucy was too lazy to clean it.


Both versions were very tasty so……thanks CeciC we love these crackers.  They are so easy to make and  the possible varieties are - endless.  No more buying crackers!

 We love hamburgers once a month but the home made tamales are killer too - This one was a smoked pork carnitas with red sauce, habanero jack cheese and sour cream.

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Janet Yang

La Cloche versus Emile Henry

Do you know of any difference in the way the bread turns out?

I already have a La Cloche, but King Arthur has it on sale for $89.98.


varda's picture

Convection - Bagel missing sheen

I have been trying to learn to use my Cadco convection oven.   This  morning, I made a dozen bagels, baked 9 of them in conventional gas oven, and 3 in the Cadco.  

In the picture above, two bagels in back are baked in gas oven, bagel in front in Cadco.   The Cadco bagels came out larger and tastier.   In fact I'd go so far as to say they are the tastiest bagels I've ever made.   But no sheen.   I don't even know where the sheen on a bagel comes from so no clue how to get it here. 

I baked these as follows:   Preheated Cadco to 500F.   Then put bagels in and reduced to 400F with humidity for 10 minutes, and then no steam for 10 minutes more.   The gas oven bagels were baked in 500F oven with no added steam as usual.  

One more question:   I'm also working on baguettes, so this morning I baked two baguettes in gas oven, 1 in Cadco.   As you can see from this picture the scores on the Cadco baguette are completely flat.   I preheated to 500F then decreased to 400 for the bake, again with humidity for first 12 minutes, and none for next 13.   In this case, I sprayed the bagels before putting them in hoping that would help.   No dice.   The flatter profile of the Cadco bagel was because I just proofed it on a tray, and has presumably nothing to do with the oven.

Any suggestions appreciated.   Thank you.

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Another Starter Question

So my starter won't start...  and my wife said to let it sit for a few days, which I did.  Last night I noticed it very smelly and bubbly.  So, I decided to feed it and will see if I can make bread again tomorrow using it.  This morning it looked very bubbly on top and had a nice vinegary smell.  I think it is working now, I gave it another feeding.

I'm wondering about starter, mine has only been fed 50/50 blend of flour and water.  It is about 2 weeks old and I had been feeding it daily at the same time each day.  Question:  If you let it sit for a few days at room temperature, can that cause it to develop toxic or something harmful?  I would guess that the baking process would kill any harmful bacteria, but that worries me to some extent.



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Starter fine, levain smells super strange, please help me!

Hi everybody!


this is my first post here, I just introduced myself in the introduction section.

I hope you can help me out here. I have a starter that bubbles nicely and regularly and has recently been refreshed. It performed well and was fed with white flour.

Yesterday evening  I made a levain with the starter, rye, wheat and spelt flour so I could make the dough in the morning. But when I got up this morning the levain smelled so strange. Not sour, and not pleasant at all. I can't really say how it smells but feet came to mind.

I put it in the fridge  hoping it would sour up, the temp here at the moment is around 23-24 degrees C. The levain is bubbly and looks totally fine, it's just the smell that really makes me doubt whether to even use it in the dough.

Could this be a reaction to the types of grain I used or perhaps I didn't add enough starter? I added 50 grams of starter to about 250 grams of flour and 250 water.

Can I use this levain?

I would be grateful for any input you might have,




Bodegacat's picture

Hello from Northumberland!

Hi! I live in Northumberland which is the last county before Scotland on the east coast of England.  I've just found this site while I was looking for a local baker.  I currently run a Mediterranean-style bar in Morpeth, Northumberland and recently we have been introducing some more traditional British dishes to the menu.  We were the first place to do tapas in Northumberland when we opened 6 years ago, however - since everyone now is doing tapas, I thought it was time we changed tack! I've been practising making some pies both meat and vegetarian and they have gone down really well on the menu.  I have never made bread by hand and thought I would try to find the guy who I once met on the farmer's market - and that's how I found 'The Fresh Loaf'. I then stumbled across the recipe for Banana Bread by Floyd.  coincidently I had two bananas sitting on the bench almost black - so I can now smell the most delicious smell coming from the oven! I can't wait. I will post a picture when I figure out how! You can have a look at my website if you're interested - just Google La Bodega, Morpeth.

subfuscpersona's picture

WonderMill grinds 1000 lbs wheat - took 9.5 hours

I don't own a WonderMill, but, after watching this youtube  video - - where, as an experiment, the mill was used to grind 1000 lbs of wheat without stopping (that's 20 50-lb bags of wheat!) I am left with *NO* qualms about the durability of this mill.

Do take a look at the video - the background music is great.

This was a durability test that we ran on the WonderMill Electric Grain mill. In this test we milled 1,000 pounds of whole wheat continuously for 9.5 hours with out burning up the WonderMill. In fact it was still ready to do more when we ended the test.

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I have no connection with the youtube posters or the company. Just thought it might interest you home millers out there. Have fun!