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redgebendheim's picture
redgebendheim

Need Advice for Sticky Dough

Hi Everyone,

This is my first entry and I hope that I can find some help.  I bake mostly sourdough loafs (75% hydration) with organic Bobs Red Mill flower (90% white, 10%wheat, or sometimes 10% sprouted spelt).  Mostly I am very happy with the texture and taste of the bread, however I have one reoccurring problem…sometimes my bread will stick to my benneton during the final resting period.  Is it a matter of not dusting the bowl with enough flower?  

I have tried letting it rest at room temperature for 4 hours, or overnight in the refrigerator (8 hrs), but I have had it stick both ways.  Any advice?

Thanks,

Redge 

portermariena's picture
portermariena

A Couple Questions for the Pros

I have a alive and healthy sourdough starter! Followed the directions, feed it weekly and it works great! 

Now I really want a 100% whole wheat starter and 100% rye starter. Any tips or suggestions?

For the rye one, what rye flour should I use? Dark rye, light rye, or whole (pumpernickel) rye? 

Also, I am trying my first time baking baguettes tonight (almost done with the bulk fermentation), any suggestions on the best way to incorporate steam into a oven would be greatly appreciated! I tried baking with steam once, and I feel like I didn't get enough in there. I'll take any advice I can get.

-Mariena

PetraR's picture
PetraR

Sourdough Wheat and Wholemeal Bread with Pumpkin & Sunflower Seeds

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is a 60% hydration dough, for some reason that is , for me, the best hydration to work with.

Recipe:

250g Mature Wheat Sourdough 

450g Bread Flour

  50g Wholemeal * Only small amount as my Daughter does not like to much Wholemeal in the bread *

300g Water

  10g Sea Salt

A good handful of Pumpkin and Sunflower Seeds

 

Mixed it all up, gave it 6 S&F every 30 Minutes for a period of 3 hours.

Bulk fermentation in the Fridge for 18 hours, let the dough come to room temperature , Shaping, final proofing in Banneton for 2 hours.

Baked in a Dutch Oven for 30 Minutes with the Lid on  at 250C and a further 20 Minutes with the Lid off at 200C.

Family agrees that this is the best SD  Bread so far.

 

Sorry for the missing Slice of bread, the shape was nicer and I should have taken the Images before I had a slice, one has to taste the bread;) 

 

 

emkay's picture
emkay

Polenta sourdough

I've seen a few posts showcasing polenta sourdough breads lately, so here's my take on it.

I cooked more porridge than I needed for the dough because it's hard to cook less using my smallest pot. I added 30 g Bob's Red Mill polenta (corn grits) to 120 g boiling water and cooked it over low heat until the water was just absorbed. I let the porridge cool overnight in the refrigerator.

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My polenta sourdough formula is loosely based on Hamelman's Vermont sourdough. Overall hydration was 70%. I included the levain in the calculation, but didn't include the cooked polenta.

Polenta Sourdough

Grams (Baker's Pct)

AP Flour 410g (88.17%)

Whole rye flour 55g (11.83%)

Water 305g (65.59%)

Salt 10g (2.15%)

Cooked polenta 80g (17.2%)

Levain 168g (36.13%)

Total 1018g

I made one batard and one boule. Final proof on the batard was 2.5 hrs at room temperature. Here's the batard's crumb:

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The shaped boule was retarded in the refrigerator for 19 hours. Here's the boule's crumb:

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The batard's crumb was definitely better than the boule's crumb. The boule was most likely overproofed, but it still tasted great. Live and learn!

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CAphyl's picture
CAphyl

Baguette Experiment in UK

When I was in the UK last week, I made David's excellent recipe below.  As I have done many times in the past, I prepared the dough and froze half of it to bake later.  I hadn't tried this with baguettes, so I was interested in how it would turn out.  I froze the dough for four days. On the first batch, I had a heck of a time moving them, as I didn't have all the tools I have in my home kitchen.  They got a bit flat as I moved them. For the second batch, I bought a metal baguette baker with tiny holes that I used for the final proof and baking, and this worked much better for me.

I defrosted the dough overnight in the fridge, and it was ready to go the next morning.  I followed the recipe instructions from there, placing the new baguette baker on a heated stone.

My husband really enjoyed these baguettes, as did our UK friends who tried them.  The taste was wonderful and the crumb fine. My husband loved the really crusty crust.

San Joaquin Sourdough Baguettes

Total ingredients

Wt (g)

Bakers %

AP Flour

479

89

WW Flour

33

6

Medium rye Flour

29

5

Water

392

72

Salt

10

1.8

Liquid starter

17

3

Total

960

176.8

9.2% of the flour is pre-fermented

Liquid Levain ingredients

Wt (g)

Bakers %

AP Flour

29

70

WW Flour

8

20

Medium rye Flour

4

10

Water

42

100

Liquid starter

17

40

Total

100

240

 

Final dough ingredients

Wt (g)

AP Flour

450

WW Flour

25

Medium rye Flour

25

Water

350

Salt

10

Liquid levain

100

Total

960

 

Method

  1. Mix the levain by dissolving the liquid starter in the water, then add the flours and mix well. Ferment at room temperature, covered tightly, until the surface is bubbly and wrinkled. (8-12 hours)
  2. Dissolve the levain in the water, add the flours and mix to a shaggy mass. Cover and autolyse for 30 minutes.
  3. Add the salt and mix to incorporate.
  4. Transfer to a clean, lightly oiled bowl and cover tightly.
  5. Bulk ferment for 3-4 hours with stretch and folds in the bowl every 30 minutes for the first 2 hours, then a stretch and fold on the board after 2.5 hours. The dough should have expanded by about 50% and be full of small bubbles.
  6. Refrigerate the dough for 18-24 hours.
  7. Take the dough out of the refrigerator and transfer it to a lightly floured board.
  8. Divide the dough into 4 equal pieces and pre-shape as logs or round.
  9. Cover the pieces and allow them to rest for 60 minutes.
  10. Shape as baguettes and proof for 45 minutes, covered.
  11. Pre-heat the oven to 500ºF with a baking stone and steaming apparatus in place.
  12. Transfer the baguettes to your peel. Turn down the oven to 480ºF. Score the loaves and load them onto your baking stone.
  13. Bake with steam for 10 minutes, then remove your steaming apparatus and continue to bake for another 10-12 minutes. (Note: After 10 minutes, I switched my oven to convection bake and turned the temperature down to 455ºF.)
  14. Remove the loaves to a cooling rack, and cool for at least 30 minutes before serving.

 

 

 

CeciC's picture
CeciC

Pain Au Levain with Spelt Flour

Overall Formula
IngredientBaker's%Weight
Stone Ground Spelt Flour25.00%100.00
Wheat flour, white (industrial), 13% protein, bleached, unenriched37.50%150.00
Wheat flour, white (industrial), 10% protein, bleached, unenriched37.50%150.00
Water, tap, drinking75.00%300.00
Salt, table2.00%8.00
Totals177.00%708.00
Add some notes here...
Stage 1: Preferment 
IngredientStage%RecBP%Weight
Stone Ground Spelt Flour50.00%5.00%20.00
Wheat flour, white (industrial), 13% protein, bleached, unenriched50.00%5.00%20.00
Water, tap, drinking100.00%10.00%40.00
Stage totals20.00%80.00
10% seeds and fermented for 8 hours overnight at 22C its doubled with sweet aroma
Final Dough 
IngredientStage%RecBP%Weight
Stone Ground Spelt Flour22.22%20.00%80.00
Wheat flour, white (industrial), 13% protein, bleached, unenriched36.11%32.50%130.00
Wheat flour, white (industrial), 10% protein, bleached, unenriched41.67%37.50%150.00
Water, tap, drinking72.22%65.00%260.00
Salt, table2.22%2.00%8.00
From: Preferment22.22%20.00%80.00
Stage totals177.00%708.00

Mixed all ingredient except salt. 

Autolysed for 30mins

Add salt with Pincer method till it reaches medium gluten development. About 4 squeezes alternate with 10 folds.

S&F 4 times @ 30mins

1 hour left un-touch

Pre-shaped, rest 20mins and shaped. 

Over-night proof in the fridge for 9 hours. Bake right out of oven in a dutch oven at 240C covered for 20mins, 20mins uncovered. 

This bread is really tasty, one of the best I ever had. I can barely stopped myself from finishing the loaf after having 4 slices plain. Evilish bread.

 

This post has been submitted to Plotziade No.2 and Wild Yeast

 

  

PetraR's picture
PetraR

Fingers crossed for my * Roggenmischbrot *

Using a Leaven made with 15g Rye Starter and 25g each water and flour.

Once it was nice a bubbly I added 9g Dry Instant Yeast, 250g bread flour, 250g rye flour, 8g salt, 1 tsp sugar, 1tsp caraway seeds and 3Tbsp vegetable oil.

To this I added 350g warm water.

Mixed it all up, let it rest for 30 minutes and gave it 20 minutes quality kneading.

It doubled in size beautiful and and it looked airy.

I formed in to a boule and put in to a floured banneton.

The dutch oven is pre heating to 250C as I type.

I shall turn out the dough on to parchment paper, score it, put it with the parchment paper in the Dutch Oven.

The bread will bake for 30 Minutes with the lid on at 250C , then i reduce the temperature to 200C and bake for another 15 minutes.

I am very exited.

The last time I tried to make a * Roggenmischbrot * my hubby asked * and I kid you not * why there was a brick in the Bread Bin *

I shall let you know how it went.

 

The recipe is from a German Baker, though he uses fresh yeast which I did not have at hand.

 

Edit:

Bread came out of the Oven and looks beautiful.

Not as much rise as my other breads * even with the dry instant yeast * but I do not mind, it smells so very good and I find it hard to wait until it has cooled *

I will order some fresh yeast next week and see if that gives the bread a little more rise though I really do not mind, it looks good enough to eat to me.

The subtle smell of the caraway seeds is amazing.

My Dad would have loved this bread.

 

dosal's picture
dosal

greenkorn

I received a pound of greenkorn (the unripe wheat). Has anybody ever baked with this? I would like to try a sourdough bread seeing that I still have a lot of starter left.

Mebake's picture
Mebake

Plans to start a bakery; what next?

Hi, fellow and dear TFL'ers

The thoughts and plans of starting a bakery in Dubai have been broiling in my mind for over a year now. As many of you already know, I began taking pastry classes some few months back as I believe that knowing how to make bread alone just won’t cut it. So, I took the classes and collected my certificate and now I think that the natural choice here is to seek an internship / apprenticeship in some bakery.

There are of course many hurdles in the way of doing so. Laws in the United Arab Emirates, specifically those pertaining to labor and food safety, are quite strict and will not allow for internships at food producing factories / outlets, unless you seek a job placement. Due to financial commitments, I can’t quit my current job to work for a bakery / patisserie / hotel / café.. and expect to be paid even remotely similar to what I earn now. Additionally, there isn’t cottage food law here, so if you plan to bake and sell commercially, you’ll have to obtain a commercial trade license like other food businesses. I’m seeking a partner to share part of the expenses, and the passion; I’ve found one so far.

I talked to a bakery owner who declined to offer an internship, but pointed me in the direction of another bakery owned by his niece in another city where the regulations are not as stringent. I paid a visit to the bakery, and noticed that although they produce some pastries (oriental and French), in addition to pita breads, their business model isn't what I’d aspire to.

The question is, am I right in thinking that an internship /apprenticeship at a bakery is a prerequisite to starting a bakery business?  I’m passionate enough about baking, especially Artisan bread, and I’m willing to do what it takes to make it happen.

I’d be happy to know what you guys think, based on your experiences. Any ideas are welcome.

Many thanks,

Khalid

 

 

emkay's picture
emkay

Chocolate Sourdough with Dried Cherries

My husband and his friends were having a peach sour beer tasting party and he asked me to bake something that could pair well with those beers. I considered baking something peachy, but peach season is not quite in full swing yet, so the ones available at the farmers' markets are still a bit too pricey and not quite at their best.

I decided to bake him a chocolate sourdough bread. I used the formula found on the SFBI website, but I think there's a similar formula in "Advanced Bread and Pastry". It's a hybrid bread using both a levain and instant dry yeast which worked out well for me since my starter is acting lazy and won't raise bread sufficiently right now. (See this thread about it: http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/38563/not-enough-yeast-starter).

The recipe called for chocolate chips, but I used chopped chocolate instead. Chopped chocolate had the added benefit of staying soft even after the bread cooled off. It's easier to slice when a hard chocolate chip isn't tearing through the crumb. I added 27% dried sour cherries which along with the chocolate gave me an add-in percentage of 20%. The dough is low hydration (64%) so it's easy to handle.

chocSD_1c

Others (elsewhere on the 'net, not on TFL) that have made this bread mentioned that it was not sweet at all. So I was taken by surprise that it was sweeter than I expected. Maybe other people expected something like a chocolate cake? Well, in that case I can understand the bread was not sweet when compared to cake. I expected less sweet and felt it was more sweet. It's all about expections.

Perceived levels of sweetness aside, I would not call the bread overly sweet. The honey played very nicely with the Dutch-processed cocoa. I didn't detect any tang from the levain. Overall, the flavor of the bread was very well-rounded. The smokey bitterness of the cocoa and the bright tartness of the cherries paired perfectly with all those sour beers.

Formula: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_LRDZo4BL--OHNENlpyQnRxeTA


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