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Mikaelas2323

What to buy?

I am looking to buy a mixer. My very first. I have always loved the Kitchenaids, but have heard the quality is not the same as my grandmothers. This lead me to do a little more research. I do bake sometimes, but not on a large scale. Enough for my family of 4. I heard that KA fixed their gear housing problems and went back to the metal ones,  but have also read that they don't really handle bread dough all that well. I would probably only be making a couple loaves at a time. But do I really want to buy it and then find out that I want to bake more, and not have a machine that can handle it? So I started looking at the Bosch and the DLX. Both seam like awesome machines. And from what I have read, both would be able to handle small batches well enough. We also do pulled pork and chicken a lot, which was another reason I was looking at a mixer. I know that the KA and the Bosch can shred meat, but what about the DLX? Any ideas or input would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!

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Born2Bake

Mature Culture, and when to build the Levain, as well as other questions

I know to use a culture that rises and falls predictably after feedings.. I understand that much, however. When a recipe calls for the use of a "Mature Culture" to build your levain does it mean...

A)  Use the culture at the deflated unfead state to build your Levain that sits for 12-16 hrs.
or
B) Use a culture that has been fed, built up until it is at its peak height and would float on water- use that to make your levain that will then sit for 12-16 hours.

Right now I'm keeping a 100% hydration starter that I keep at about 70-72 degrees. I'm currently discarding about 80% of it and then feeding it once daily. Using 70 degree water and the temp of the starter is at 72 after the feed. Flour being 45% unbleached white 45% whole wheat and 10% whole rye.

From what I understand this should take about 2-4 hours to be at peak height "young levain" status, and then start to fall. This is not happening for me. I will feed it at 2pm and  when I wake up in the next morning at 6am it is at its peak high point and has not started to fall. Smells slightly sweet and yeasty as well as ripe fruit. Only after a few more hours it begins to fall Why is this? - I'm trying to wrap my head around the young levain concept.

 Any help/feedback is greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

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bakingbadly

Caraway Light Rye Sourdough Bread

My nostrils flared, vacuuming the air with rapid snorts. 

"What's that smell?" I thought.

Convincing myself that my mind was playing tricks, I turned the knob of my kitchen sink and continued rinsing the dishes.

Ding!

Fifteen minutes had elapsed and my countertop oven had finished steaming. Wary of the hazards of hot water vapour, I slipped my arms into my long-sleeved oven mitts and removed the baking tray from the oven.

"Ahh dammit, I burnt the towel!"

 

This loaf was an adaptation of Hamelman's 40% rye bread with caraway seeds. If you're interested, the original recipe can be found here on Steve's blog called Bread Cetera. (Very awesome, by the way.)

In my version of Hamelman's 40% rye bread, I slightly decreased the starter and water amount, and ommitted the instant yeast and caraway seeds, sort of. The night prior to the bake, I soaked the caraway seeds in water, rested it overnight, strained it, and used the caraway-flavoured water to hydrate the dough. (This wasn't done out of preference but out of experimentation.)

Further, with tips and suggestions from DA (dabrownman), I implemented Sylvia's steaming method. Yeah yeah, I know, it was poorly executed but it worked---like a mini-sauna, it was!

 

"Whoa!"

I panicked and needed a solution---fast. While steaming, the top of my loaf throttled itself towards the upper burners of my oven, attributed by the large oven spring. The loaf was, in other words, at risk of being scorched. 

Subsequently, I re-positioned the middle rack lined with clay tiles, where the dough laid upon, into the lower slot of my oven.

 

You know what else was new for me? Slashing a spiral into dough. With a razor blade clamped between my thumb and index finger, I paused amidst scoring and thought, "What the heck am I doing?"

Seriously, how do you score a perfect spiral into a large ball of dough?

 

After being cooled for more than twelve hours, the crust of the loaf was somewhat firm, yielding slightly to the pressure of my fingers. Wafting a light aroma of caraway, the crumb was modestly soft, cool, and faintly moist to the touch. As for the taste? The flesh of the bread was subtly sweet and nutty, accompanied by a gentle but pleasant tang.

Next time, if I were to re-make this loaf, I'll aim for a bolder bake and incorporate grounded caraway seeds into the dough. Not surprisingly, I missed that faintly bitter, licorice taste imparted by caraway.

:) Take care and have a happy baking, all. 

Zita

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FlourChild

Forkish Overnight Brown and Bacon SD

In addition to Breadsong's post and Toad.de.b's post, I have a couple more loaves to add from Ken Forkish's Flour, Water, Salt, Yeast.  

I have to say I've really been enjoying baking from this book, it has opened up my repetoire to include a style of SD bread featuring low levain amounts (only 10-12% of the main dough flour is used to build the levain) and extended bulk ferments.  This style is different from Hammelman, and bears some resemblance to Chad Roberston's loaves, though Mr. Forkish seems to be a better teacher and to include more of the details needed for a novice to succeed.  The only drawbacks- and they are small compared to the deliciousness of his breads- are the narrow scope of recipes (no soakers, high percentage rye, brioche, baguette or long loaves, olive bread, fruit & nut bread, croissants, etc.) and the "supersize" scale of both levains and recipes (every recipe is made with 1,000 grams of flour).  

First up is the Bacon Sourdough, which I have to say is one of the best tasting loaves that has ever graced my kitchen.  I followed this recipe to the T, even mixing up the large levain.  Since I like bread best on the day it's baked, I generally prefer to bake smaller amounts more frequently and am not set up for this quantity of dough, so it was a bit of a hassle to find or jerry-rig enough containers, baskets, dutch ovens, proofers, etc.  But the incredibly moist crumb and crisp, red-brown crust on this loaf were superb, and the bacon hit just the right note- plenty to appreciate, but in balance with the crust and crumb flavors.  The photos on this are only of a small demi-loaf made of dough that I siphoned off of the two larger loaves; I wanted a small loaf to try the bread, as the two large loaves were given away as gifts.

The glossy, translucent walls on the larger holes:

The bubbles on the crust:

 

Next up is the Overnight Brown, a pure levain dough with 30% whole wheat.  For this bake, I decided to scale things back and also tried some whole grain spelt instead of traditional red wheat for the 30% whole grain portion of the dough.  For the scaling, I only made one loaf (50% of the main dough) and scaled back the levain to just a little more than what I needed for the main dough (150g of levain or 15% of what was called for).  Not sure that spelt was the right choice for this bread, it was good but not great.  I'd like to try it again with red wheat.

Here's the loaf, which Forkish doesn't score but rather bakes seam side up for a gnarly, rustic look.

The crumb:

And the bubbly crust that comes from his long room temp ferments:

Pizzas
I also made the levain pizza dough and the high-hydration poolish pizza dough, but my renditions did not turn out as well as the loaves.  They both seemed a bit over-fermented, in that they ended up a little too dense, without enough oven spring, and the flavors were a tad off.  These may be my fault, I suspect both my SD starter and my (commerical yeast) poolish were a little more ripe than was ideal, so I plan to try them again, being more careful to follow the times and temps exactly.  They were both a little harder to shape (elastic) than most of the pizza doughs I mix, which I attribute to the extra acidity from the long ferments.  In the case of the poolish, my pre-ferment only doubled in 12 hours, rather than the triple that is specified, so I let it go to 14 hours (recipe states 12-14 hours) in hopes of getting a bit more rise, which never happened.  This experience has taught me that with Forkish's recipes, it is better to err on the side of underfermenting than the other way around.

All in all, a great book that I've thoroughly enjoyed.


 

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shoshanna673

Hydration Math

Hi

I am new to sourdough and am struggling with hydration math!  Can any kind poster help me with a few dumb questions?  I have an established white starter at 65% hydration.  I have not yet baked with it and am now ready to take the plunge.  For my chosen recipe (Emmanuel Hadjiandreou's Seeded Sourdough) I require 160g of starter.  Can someone tell me how to build some starter for baking at 65% hydration (2 feeds at 12 hour intervals?) to arrive at this 160g.  I know, I'm dumb!!  The recipe does not specify a particular starter hydration.  Also, is it possible to change the hydration of my mother starter, and if so, how would I do this?  Or can I just bring the hydration up as necessary for different recipes?  I have a new rye starter currently under way, which is 100% hydration.  Don't want to end up with a frig full of different starters.

I am boning up on hydration, having just come to grips with bakers %s.  I will get there.

Thanks to anyone who is willing to help

Sondra

 

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gary.turner

DLX Assistent mixer speeds and times

Lately I've been trying to codify the variables of mixing and kneading dough in my DLX. Since it seems to act as a spiral mixer would, I used that as my base. Spiral mixers run at   about 100RPM in first speed, and 200RPM in second; that's the hook rotational speed. Bowl speed is more on the order of 15RPM. Commercial spiral mixers that I've checked use separate motors for each.

The DLX has a spiral pattern roller that depends on the bowl's rotation to drive it. The  bowl's speed is adjustable from ~45 to 135RPM. The ratio of the roller's and the bowl's radii acts as a step-up gear to raise the roller's speed.

Depending on the amount of flour, a proxy for the total dough, the roller runs at ~95 to 135RPM with the bowl running its dead slowest. So, speed 1 is decided for you.

For speed 2, the effective ratio is computed and the desired bowl speed is set to drive the roller at 200RPM. The bowl's effective radius is reduced by the amount of spacing between the roller and the bowl's rim.

The speed setting dial has eight little blocks. My nomenclature is simply the number of complete blocks, starting below the first, at zero, i.e. dead slow. Thus, a speed of 4 means turned up through the first four blocks, right into the space between the fourth and fifth blocks. Speed 3½ would be in the center of the fourth block.

Here is the chart of my speed settings and mixing times.

Flour weightRoller spacingBowl speed dial settingMix time @ speed 1Knead time @ speed 2
Speed 1Speed 2LightImprovedIntensive
560g or less½ in0½2 to 3 min3 to 4 min5min8+ min
561g to 980g1 in2
981g to 1960g1½ in4
1961g to 3220g2 in6

I am hoping other DLX users will give these values a test run or three, and add your findings to the conversation. I have found the times and speeds to be very close to values described by Hamelman, Suas, et al. For users of other mixers, do yours have a similar pattern?

I look forward to some input on this.

cheers,

gary

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Song Of The Baker

Multi Seed Loaf with Rye & Spelt Flour

Since I am still nursing a brand new rye starter to life (finally there with great help from Minioven) I made a bread today with a biga preferment.  I have been craving a loaf with seeds coming out of the yingyang so I stuffed this bread full of cracked wheat, steel cut oats and rye berries.  I wanted a hearty loaf so I used a combination of bread flour with dark rye and spelt flours.

Never used a biga before so it was a new adventure.  Actually, not really.  Same as poolish just drier. 

Now that I have my rye starter up and running, I will be trying a much anticipated go at a danish rye, packed with rye berries.  This loaf today will have to keep me chewing happily till then.  Thanks to Franko for the inspiration.

 

 

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leostrog

A baking-stable fruit filling preparation

I have been experimenting with fruit filling for a long time, seeking for the perfect consistency, which will not drip out of the cake while baking. Unfortunately nowadays in shops you can find only jams and jellies which are rich with pectin. Those do not behave well during baking, being not thermo stable. One can also buy ready-to-use fruit cake fillings, but the percent of fruit there is very low.

Also we don’t have fresh berries sold here, only frozen (cherries, raspberry, and blackcurrants).

Keeping in mind all these obstacles, I decided to try some ideas from the works of Prof. Amos Nussinovitch, about hydrocolloids in food technology.

 Unfortunately I worked without exact measurements and quantities, next time I will follow the precise amounts:

For the filling I used the mix of Agar Agar, Alginate, Konjac and cornstarch ( all this components possible to purchase in shops for "molelecular cuisine".

500 gr. of berry mix, thawed.

 Preparation:

The berry mix was crused with blender into a smooth puree. Then I eliminated the seeds and the peel using a strainer. In the end there was 300gr of liquid fruit pulp to which I added 4tbsp of sugar, and heated till the sugar was dissolved.

In a little pan I made a liquid solution of 5gr of Agar flakes with 100gr of water. In another bowl I mixed with a blender 2.5gr of Sodium Alginate + 50ml of water + 1.5gr sodium citrate as a buffer (to prevent the inactivation of alginate in a low pH). The purpose was to create a combined Agar-Alginate gel, which will have the thermo stability of the Alginate and the easy shape forming of Agar.

Unfortunately I forgot the Calcium bath, so it was not a combined gel after all.

Then I mixed 5gr of maltodextrin with 2.5gr of konjac. 

With a blender I mixed the liquid Agar-alginate solution and the berry-sugar mix. Then I added two tsp. of cornstarch and the maltodextrin-konjac mix.  The blender was working constantly while I was mixing all together.

The puree got thick, and I put it in the fridge in a slightly oiled container.

In the next morning I took it out and cut it to nice pieces, then put it as a filling in a yeast dough (Briosche)

and a crusty pastry.

There are not "wet" dough under th filling, but a thin layer of marzipan.

The baking temperature was 200-210 0C * 15-20 min.

You can see that I didn’t become too fluid and runny, and stayed well on its place. It also didn’t make the baking around it wet, meaning that the water stayed in the filling and didn’t go out too much. The consistency is nice, smooth but not sticky or gooey. The taste and aroma of the berries was also well preserved. I can estimate a percentage of fruit flesh in filling as  about 65-70%.

My thought is that the Agar and Alginate contributed to its firm consistency during the low temperatures of baking, and then, during the high temperatures, the cornstarch began to firm.

As I said earlier, I forgot to cross link the Alginate with calcium, so I don’t know how much it really contributed to the firmness.

Next time I will try it with a lemon/orange juice.

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amolitor

Fennel Fig Bread

This was developed from a list of ingredients lifted from the display case at Arizmendi Bakery, in San Francisco. I consulted a few other similar recipes to help out with proportions. The technique is basically a stretch-and-fold approach I lifted from some Tartine recipe in a magazine.

Levain

  • 2 T wheat bran
  • 3/4 cup whole wheat flour
  • 1 cup water
  • 1-2 T active starter ("sufficient" starter to get the levain going)

Set out overnight, or until it is sufficiently developed to float. It's fairly cool here, so 10-12 hours seems to work well for me now.

Dough

  • all of the levain
  • 1/2 cup warm water
  • 2 1/2 cups bread flour ("sufficient" flour to make a fairly wet dough)
  • 1 1/2 tsp salt

Mix well, until the dough separates from the bowl stickily, the usual sort of thing. Stretch and fold every half hour or so for about 3 hours, until the dough is getting close to fully devloped (elastic and as smooth as the bran will allow, and starting to get leavened). Mix in:

  • 2 T fennel seeds
  • 1 tsp fresh ground pepper
  • 12 medium sized dried black figs, quartered (take the stems off if there are any!)

You want the dough mostly but not completely developed. You're going to mix in this stuff with some stretch and fold every 15-20 minutes or so, for 2 or 3 turns. So, another 40 minutes to an hour on the bench.

Form up a loaf, bake at 450 for 40 minutes or so. You'll want to bake a few minutes longer than you would normally bake a loaf of this size, for the figs.

The pepper really makes this one. 1 tsp adds a definitely peppery bite, so you may want to start with less if you're not a pepper fan, or if you are worried about big flavors.

 

 

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jamesjr54

Oat Bran Sourdough - The Flavor!

Wanted to share this success. Like you all, I hate discarding so much starter, so I've been experimenting with uses - pancakes, english muffins etc. Got the English Muffins to where I'm happy - more batter-like than dough is the secret. Emboldened by English Muffin success, I wanted to experiment with some bread. I tried this formula:

2 days before baking:

Fed  25g of my 100% starter with 50g each KAP and water = 125 G.

Day before: saved 30g, and used 50g in a levain (discarded the rest).

Levain

50g starter

68g AP flour

12g Rye

100g water

 

Baking Day

Dough - about 68.5% hydration

650g KAP

480 water

All of the Levain (230g)

85G White Whole Wheat (KA)

45G Rye

20G Oat Bran (Bob's Red Mill)

10g salt

7 g flax seed meal (Bob's Red Mill)

Mix all but salt. Autolyse 90 minutes. Add in salt and knead 10-12 minutes by hand. 

Bulk ferment 2.5 hours with S&F at 50 minutes

Preshape; rest for 10 minutes, then shape.

Final Proof 90 minutes (my house was a cool 68F, while outside was about 20F)

Then, my usual baking regimen: 500F preheat with cast iron dutch oven/combo cooker; 20 minutes covered at 475F; 20 minutes uncovered (final 10 minutes with parchment paper removed).

This bread came out great! The flavor was really sublime - slightly nutty and sweet - I guess from the oat bran/flax seed meal combo. Not much sourdough tang at all, which was fine with me.  The crumb was a little too open, owing I think to not enough kneading/development. We demolished the first boule with some homemade minestrone and grilled cheese. 

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