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Born2Bake

Young Culture vs Mature Culture - Question

Hello, I'm a little unsure of how each of these differ exactly. Please let me know if this is correct.
I use 100% hydration, 45%ww-45%unbleached white-10% whole rye, Temp 70-72 degrees F

Also: Can anyone tell me the difference between a Levain and a Culture??

Young:
Used at the early stages of yeast production.
Mixed with a 50% discard and feed.
Used at about 3-4 hours after being created. Times vary on Hydration, Flour, and Temp.
Favors subtle lactic acid production (flavor similar to yogurt acidity)

 

Mature:
Used at the later stages of yeast production.
Mixed with a 80% discard and feed.
Used at about 12-16 hours after being created. Times vary on Hydration, Flour, and Temp
Favors a more pronounced acetic acid (vinegar acidity) and less lactic acid flavor.


Any comments or help would be greatly appreciated,

Thank You,

Bake On.

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davidg618

Mostly White Flour SD, and Salt

When I first began baking sourdough I followed the experts formulae to the letter. Most prescribed 2% salt. Frankly, I was disappointed with most of the mostly (or entirely) White Flour formulae, especially those that included up to 10% Whole Wheat flour in the mix. They were too bland for our palettes. Along the way I discovered overnight hydration, at cool temperatures, developed both flavor and the desired crumb.

Ultimately, as I continued exploring, my "go to" sourdough is a 10% Whole Rye flour (preferably Hodgson's Mill), 90% White (a 50/50 mix of KA Bread and AP flours), 2% salt, 68% hydration, DT 54°F and 15 hours retarded at 54°F. A typical loaf's flavor is neither Rye nor Wheat but an amalgam, perhaps enhanced by the levain acidity.

Along the same journey, we've come to enjoy the distinct wheatiness, and nutty flavors of overnight retarded baguettes leavened by commercial IDY.

Today I baked two loaves wherein everything was identical to our routine sourdough bakes, except the flour mix was 5% Whole Wheat, and 95% the usual White flour mix. I also upped the salt content to 2.25%. My intent was to achieve a wheaty flavored SD.

The flavor is, as hoped, wheaty; not the in-your-face wheatiness of baguettes but certainly the high note, modulated, softened, by the levain's acidity. All the flavors seem crisper which I attribute to the increased salt.

Coincidentally, I also finished simmering a 5-day-brined corned beef.  I think today's dinner has come together.

David G

 

 

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HappyHighwayman

First attempt at brioche

Came out really dark but hopefully the inside will be good. I think I baked it 25 degrees too hot. 

Inside is perfect though and tastes great!

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BrianOD

Whole wheat Sourdough starter behavior

I've been SD'ing for a couple of years now and I've never been happy with my results. I am beginning again with a revived starter. (6 months since last baking) My question concerns the activity of the starter and if it is active. The starter, which is a 100% whole wheat from SD International, is at 100% hydration. It will begin growing about 2 hours after feeding, grow to about double, maybe a bit more, and then stay there for about 6-8 hours. All at 75deg. There is no "bubbling" on the surface but the starter is almost a "foam-like" consistency, small irregular bubbles imbedded in the material. This is identical to the behavior it has exhibited in the past, including when it was first activated from the package so I think it has been revived successfully. Is this what I should be looking for, or should it be a little more effervescent? My loafs have not risen well in the past and usually turn out dense. Right now, I'm trying to determine if the problem lies in the starter or somewhere further down the process. thanks for ANY help!

 

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Delbadry

High crown muffins - impossible at home??

Hi,

I am very, very close to giving up on trying to bake high-domed, large-crowned muffins. I've tried any and every recipe with a picture showing a muffin peak like I'm trying to create, and I've only ever achieved an average-looking, barely-rounded dome; unlike the kind you find at professional bakeries. I've tried different baking temperatures (including combination temperatures), different oven rack levels, different mixing methods, resting times and immediate baking, 3/4 full tins and heaping full tins, room temp ingredients and strict mixing guidelines, different batter consistencies, and even different muffin pans including jumbo and crown pans. Nothing has created that gorgeous dome that's as high as the muffin's base.

My question is: has anyone achieved this? Has anyone personally made these high-rising muffins with semi-sphered domes or even close to it? I've researched all the tips and any recipes you may suggest I've probably already tried.. I just wanted a confirmation before I give up that it cannot be done at home.

Thanks!!! :)

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Gene New

No success with no need breads

I am new to bread making and very much at the experimental stage. Thanks to a recipe by Micheal Roux Jnr and the method of slap and fold employed by Richard Bertinet  I have successfully managed to make a decent white loaf after a series of nice enough but still quite right  loaves and a few bricks.  

One fairly basic thing I havent managed to do properly is make a successful No Knead loaf, you know the type of bread that is so simple even a 4 year old can do it.  

So far I have tried two variations and failed both times, but never being one to give up easily I though I would give it another go so today was attempt number three.   This time I thought I would try a part wholemeal version that called for 300g bread flour, 100g wholemeal flour, 300ml water, 1/4 teaspoon yeast and 1.25 tsp salt.

The recipe is simple enough and after mixing it all I was really happy with how it went last night. However I got up this morning to a goo that stuck to everything, wouldn’t hold it’s shape for anything and gave off a smell in my kitchen was more like brewery than a household ready to bake bread.

I know I didn’t leave it too long and it wasn’t anything to do with heat or altitude since where I live we are only 200 feet above sea level plus it is winter and it snowed last night and we didnt have the heating on so my kitchen was like a fridge when I got up.

The next part of the recipe called for folding the dough which looked easy in the videos but I couldn’t handle it at all since my dough was at pouring consistency and the flour I put out for it to sit on had no affect, it was like trying to handle a very liquid tacky glue!

I couldn't do anything with it so I tried my own version of a resurrection.

Since I have had most success with Richard Bertinets method of kneading and that in turn works well with high hydration mixes I though I would try a little slap and fold and see if I could bring the glue together that way.    Initially I seemed to be getting somewhere but the moment I stopped working it would start to fall apart and stick to everything once again. I tried adding a little of flour but that didn’t work either so after a frustrating and totally unsuccessful hour or so it was back to the Internet and look for a solution but that was to little avail.  The picture at the top shows was what it looked like at that point.

However when I did a search about the strong smell in the kitchen a few people suggested the yeast may have eaten all of the nutrients and some suggested you should add more yeast but no one said how much so I added 1/8 teaspoon of instant yeast and worked it a bit more with another couple of pinches of flour and more slap and folds. After a lot more effort on my part it finally it started to come together so it’s currently sitting in a bowl proving, it’s been about 45 minutes and at least it is rising.

Alas I don’t have the experience to know what I should do next – should I treat it like one of Richards mixes and fold it, let it rise again shape and cook in a bread pan or should I continue treating it as a no knead bread despite all my work and simply shape and cook it in a Dutch oven – I really don’t know!

But the way things have gone with this bread I don’t hold out much hope for it producing anything remotely edible so I may just go for broke and cook it in the Dutch oven anyway, if I do I will report back and let you know what happened but so much for no knead!


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crustic

Sourdough starter lifeless

OK.  So I am only about two weeks into breadmaking and am working on my first sourdough starters.  I actually started two which in hindsite was not a good idea as they weren't on the same schedule and (in addition  to 4 kids and a dog) this was too confusing.  Anyway, one starter I was working on suggested to let the starter rest for 24 hours each time (regardless of what was going on) and this recipe (started with all rye flour) completely took off after the first feeding.  It probably tripled in size (overflowed) my 4 cup measuring cup which I was using for the starter and was very stringy and elast, which is exactly what I would have expected based on what I read.  In any case I was very optimistic and though I was off to the races.  Wrong.  Somehow after the second feeding it stayed completely flat and showed very little activity.  I have since divided and fed it twice with still very little activity although there were some bubles still in there although very little elasticity to the starter.

 

I am mostly looking for either encouragement that there is still hope for this starter (it still smells good (I think but don't really know)) or someone to tell me to scrap it and start over.  The only thing I can think of that may have caused problems was that I did wash the container between second and third feedings because it had overflowed.  I don't recall using soap but either way used a sponge which could have had soap in it.  I'm still surprised that could have had such a drastic effect on such an active starter but this is my first time.

Thoughts?

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ars pistorica

Baking Bread, an exploration of bread and its many facets

Bulk fermentation is done when a dough is strong enough to remember its shape after baking.

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Song Of The Baker

40% Rye With Ground Seeds

I have been excited to bake a simple rye bread since my starter had become ready to use.  Also, I went to a local organic mill and stocked up an all sorts of grains, flours as well as a hard to find Puy lentil from France.  I chose to do a 40% Rye with some toasted and roughly ground seeds (sunflower, flax and caraway) within.  I also got to use a brotform for the first time.  I will update with crumb photos, but I have a feeling I should have seen more oven spring and height from a formula such as this one.  I did forget to bulk ferment an hour, so I just proofed for a full 2 hours.  Any rye experts out there, please let me know if this could most likely be the cause of such a poor spring.

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Song Of The Baker

My First Danish Rye (Rugbrot)

Today I baked a Danish Rye from Chad Robertson's formula.  It was a long time coming as I have been trying to get a rye starter up and living (Thanks again Mini!).  Finally, it is healthy and alive.  This means I was able to bake this bread that has been on my mind for 3 weeks.  With a few pointers from Jorgen (breaducation) and Phil (PiPs), I think it turned out a success.  Of course the proof will be after the painful wait of 24 hours that this bread needs to rest.  I couldn't help but cut a few slices off the side after 6 hours of rest just to get some crumb shots - and a greedy taste.  Tastes great so far, but I think it needs to set up.  Still a bit on the damp side.  Also, the one mistake I made was to dust the top of the bread with ground up sunflower and flax seeds instead of just simple flour.  I guess the seeds dried out during the long bake and now have a tough and hard/crunchy texture.  The other three sides of the crust are fine, just the top is a problem.  Next time I will simply dust with flour.

Couldn't resist trying out an authentic way of enjoying this bread.  You know the saying, if in Vancouver, eat as the World eats.  A few Smorrebrod, Danish sandwich variations.

Herring with pickled shallot, creme fraiche and fresh cracked pepper.

Alder smoked salmon with cream cheese and dill yogurt

 

I am hooked on this crazy Danish sandwich.  So many possibilities, so little bake time.

John

 

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