Been playing at baking for eons; some successes, mostly less than spectacular results. Got into trying sourdough with sourdough starters after picking up a book in San Francisco airport featuring sour dough tales from the goldrush days, along with a packet of "starter." Sounded like such a great idea to try and take a stand for living free of commercial products including "expensive" yeasts. Only down side besides the frequent disasters, was handling the "gloppy" dough, so invested in a "bread machine." Less sticky hands, but little improvement in the end product.