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Submitted by Lucy-Sue on November 19, 2009 - 2:12pm Sourdough starter question for Sourdough lady, my first attemptHi: I am using the recipe from sourdough lady. On day 4 I disgarded all but 1/4 cup and added white flour and water. The next day it is bubbling and happy. Today is day 5 and I did the same thing. Hopefully it will bubble again. My question is: Do I do this every day? When does it go into the fridge and do I disgard it all but 1/4 of a cup everyday when it is in the fridge and add the flour and water? My next question is: when can I use it? Thanks! Lucy Submitted by SumisuYoshi on November 19, 2009 - 3:10am Royal Grains BreadThis bread is heavily inspired by the Multi-grain Extraordinaire recipe from Bread Baker's Apprentice and really, it came out of my desire to stuff even more grains and grain flavor into that bread. I first made the Multi-grain Extraordinaire back in late September, and while I liked it quite a bit I was really looking for a bit more graininess, so to speak. I hadn't thought about that again until this weekend, as I knew I needed some lunch bread but I wasn't sure what to make. When I was digging in the cupboard for the pasta I needed for a pumpkin stew (more on that in a later post!) I saw the forbidden rice and purple barley I got a while back. Suddenly I had it, time to rework the recipe in search of more 'graininess'! In light of the supposed royal nature of the forbidden rice (although that is probably mostly marketing) and the similarity in color of the cooked rice to the ancient Royal Purple, I decided to name this Royal Grains Bread. Royal Grain Bread Recipe Makes: One 2 lb loaf or 6-12 rolls Time: 2 days. First day: soaker and starter. Second day: mix final dough, ferment, degas, shape, final rise, bake. Ingredients: (baker's percentages at the end of hte post) Grain Soaker:
Stiff Sourdough Starter:
Final Dough:
Directions:
Note: If you wish to make this loaf without levain, skip the levain step and in the final dough use: 10.5 oz. bread flour, 5.5-6.5 oz. water and add in 2¼ tsp. instant or active dry yeast (add the instant to the dry ingredients and the active dry to the water and stir well). The rise times will of course be very different, probably around 1.5 to 2 hours for the first rise, and 1-1.5 hours for the second rise.
Some more photos: Forbidden Rice and Purple Barley: Shaped and Panned Loaf: Risen Loaf: Baker's Percentage: Soaker:
Starter
Dough
Straight Dough Version:
Submitted by Igwiz on November 16, 2009 - 7:05am Cold proofing... how long is TOO long?Hi all: I am working on a sourdough rye right now. It's on its second build, is proofing in the fridge, and due space and time issues has been there since Saturday afternoon. By the time I bake it this evening, it will have been proofing for nearly 48 hours. Am I still going to have bread, or will I likely just be baking a HUGE starter? Any advice would be helpful. Thanks, Igwiz Submitted by Caltrain on November 16, 2009 - 12:36am 100% Whole Wheat Sourdough boule and ciabattasI'm relatively new to breadmaking and I've been lurking here quite a bit. I think it's about time I made my first post, but since I want to show off my bread, why not make it a blog post?
^ Whole wheat sourdough ready for their overnight retard. Obama lurks in the background, waiting. Some 14 hours later, the boule pops out of the oven. Lately I've been increasingly obsessed with baking (well, eating) the best damn whole wheat sourdough. WGB got me off to a good start, as did Laurel's but, ehh... something was missing. WGB was an amazing read, but its hearth bread made with sourdough... it was dense, chewy, and not at all what I wanted. The flavor was maybe not the right kind of nutty. So what it came down to was me searching this site inside out. There's quite a bit of valuable information around these parts! This last link also saved my sanity once or twice. :p There were plenty of flat loafs in between, but I think I've got it.
^Bam. I used 100% hydration sourdough starter that's ~3 months old. The final hydration was 82%. I'm happy with how the loaf turned out. The oven spring was far better than I expected. I think the final tweak that made everything "click" was to not flip the dough onto a flat board for scoring, but into a shallow, parchment-lined bowl. The curvature of the bowl angled the dough in such a way that I got a flat surface to score. It made the dough look somewhat deflated and scoring actually harder without the surface tension, but somehow the "liveliness" of the dough was preserved better in the end. I scored the dough, then lifted it out by the parchment and dumped the whole affair into a covered 3.6 quart wide-lipped casserole. The casserole was also another great discovery. I dug it out of a thrift store intending to use the flat lid as a base, but found that using it right-side up gave the loaf juuust the right amount of structural support while still being largely free standing. I baked the loaf at 450 degrees for 30 minutes, and that was that.
^ The crumb. I also whipped up some 115% hydration dough/batter for a shot at ciabatta.
^ The ciabatta posing with the boule in the back. Like the round, I made an overnight soaker containing half the final flour and all of the salt and water. The ciabatta soaker was so hydrated that the water and flour gave up and separated into their own sedimentary layers. Not pretty. The next day I added the starter and remaining flour and stretch-and-folded it in the container with one hour rests in between. After the 3rd set of folding, the batter started peel easily from the container and I decided to divide dough into two and placed 'em in the fridge. I wasn't expecting much of the ciabatta. It was just a side experiment, and the open vent on my aging oven makes steaming futile. I've gotten around on the boule with the glass casserole, but for the ciabatta, I just cranked my oven up to as high as it'll go and chucked in the ciabatta on the tiles for 10-15 minutes. There still managed to be pretty good oven spring. So, how'd it do?
^ Damn. Either it was under-kneaded or flour simply wasn't meant to be this hydrated. I ended up getting a cavern, and over-floured it while trying to shape it. Oh well; that didn't stop the bread from being some of the most deliciously airy and fluffy bread I've tasted with just the right tang. Once the excess flour was vigorously patted off, anyways. So, there you go. If anyone would like the full recipe for the ciabatta, I'd be happy to post it. I'm still tweaking the hydration and so forth.
Whole Wheat Sourdough
Submitted by John Ambrose on November 15, 2009 - 4:12pm Optimum Proof TemperatureMy starter will celebrate his first birthday next month. It seems to be very robust, however two issues have plagued the process since starting. These issues are flavor and proofing, which may be related. Process overview: Flour (KA Bread) 100% Water 65% Starter 20% (have varied the hydration levels from 50% to 150%) Salt 2% Autolyse 20 min, add salt, first rise 2hrs, strech and fold, another 2hr rise, strech and fold, preshape, overnight in refrigerator, warm up then shape with final proof up to 3hrs. The kitchen is typically ~70 F for the proof. Loaves look good, but oven kick can be as much as 50% as displayed in the attached pics. Minimal SD tanginess. Any suggestions? Thanks, John Ambrose
Submitted by arlo on November 13, 2009 - 4:49pm My "Zingermans Farm Loaf' Boule
After having successfully fed my starter from Zingermans last week, turned it into a chef and then a levain, I was finally able to start crafting my own Farm Loaf using Zingerman's Bakehouse recipe last night! I started the bread last night by prepping the levain and letting it set for 12 hours. In the morning I started the mixing and crafting, mixing in bowl till combined...kneading for 12 minutes and so on. After letting it set for 3 hours with two stretch and folds...I proceeded to let it ferment again for 3 and a half hours more. One thing I've learned so far from Zingermans it all their recipes seem to take time...lots. I preshaped the loaf around 2 o'clock, placed it in my banneton and by five o'clock, it was ready to bake! 18 hours of overall time it took for this bread, but from all the farm loaves I've tasted, it is worth it. If this bread wasn't still so freshly baked, I would have pictures of the crumb, but I've learned to wait before slicing bread : ) Next week I will be attempting the Vermont Sourdough by Hamelman one more time since my last few attempts haven't been that great. Hopefully with my newly acquired knowledge I will be able to craft a nicer loaf though.
Also baked for the first time ever, Palmiers today!Turned out to be a bit 'overdone', but they still tasted yummy!
Submitted by Charles Luce on November 13, 2009 - 2:05pm Excellent Gluten Free BreadYep, I realize the headline is provocative. Even we celiacs have to admit that most GF breads are abysmal. But, thanks to insights gleaned from you lucky majority of bread builders – you're able to digest gluten! – I’ve come up with a natural-leavened GF bread that not only tastes great, but stales slowly and contains no dairy, fat or eggs. The secret? This bread is leavened only with wild sourdough. To make it you’ll need some equipment in addition to ingredients. Items include: A pizza stone. A cloche top (I use a Romertopf clay top). A gram scale. Saran wrap. A plant sprayer. Rubber/vinyl gloves. A heated proofing environment. A pizza peel or flat cookie sheet. Six plastic “picnic” wine glasses (if making rolls) or a length of sawed-off plastic PVC pipe if making loaves. A very sharp fillet knife or a razor blade on a stick. Or a lamé.
Ingredients: 60 grams millet sourdough in storage concentration (See below) 67 grams millet flour 260 grams Analise Roberts Brown Rice Blend (see below) 3 teaspoons Xanthan gum 1 1/4 teaspoon salt 331 grams spring water Cornmeal for dusting
Making the sourdough: I followed the instructions in The Bread Builders, by Daniel Wing and Alan Scott. To 120 grams of millet flour I added 120 grams of water and stirred well. I let this sit in a covered, non-metallic vessel in a cool (62 degree) area in my house. After 48 hours I threw away 1/2 this mix, added 60 grams flour and 60 grams water and let stand at the same temperature for another 24 hours. At the end of this 24 hour cycle I again threw away 120 grams of the mix and added 60 grams flour and 60 grams water. I let this stand until it showed signs of life – bubbling, froth, fermentation stink – then removed it to a 70 degree environment, added 60 grams of flour (to bring the mix to a 50% hydration) and let stand 3 hours. At the end of this time I put it in my refrigerator.
It looks like this:
To make a bread recipe I remove 60 grams of storage sponge, add 40 grams of millet flour and 80 grams of water to it, mix and cover. I place it atop my refrigerator, where the temp is 75 – 80 degrees, and let it stand 12 hours. Then it looks like this:
I remove all but 80 grams of this sponge and weigh what I remove. Then I add enough flour to the removed amount to create a 50% hydration leaven, put this back into the storage container, and let this stand 3 hours, after which it goes back in the ‘fridge.
So, what I have left is 80 grams of 100% hydration leaven.
On with breadmaking:
Mix 67 grams of millet flour, 260 grams brown rice mix (Available from Authenticfoods.com) 3 tsp xanthan gumn and 1 1/2 tsp salt and blend carefully and well. It’s important to do this thoroughly because the xanthan will coalesce as soon as water hits it and you want the distribution to be even when this happens/
Dump mixed dry ingredients into a large bowl, add the water, and stir just enough to wet all the flour. Let this stand 1/2 hour. As it stands, take the 6 hemispheric classes and stuff a small square of plastic wrap into each. Spritz this with water. Also lay a sheet of plastic wrap on your counter and spritz this well. Warm up your proofing chamber (mine, btw, is a heating pad and two kitchen towels J ) Put on your rubber gloves and wet them thoroughly.
Add the leaven to the dough, stir until blended fairly well, then turn out onto the wet plastic and mix by hand, squeezing out lumps and working to create a very rough-textured sheet about 1/2” thick. Remember, there’s no gluten to protect or develop – what you’re after is a thorough blend and a shaggy-surfaced sheet of dough. When you’re certain you’ve got a good mix, lift the edge of the plastic and roll the dough into a long tube.
If you’re making loaves, simply divide this tube into two lengths, continue to wrap loosely and place the sections into the halved PVC pipe. Cover with a towel and set in your proofing chamber.
If you’re making rolls, stuff chunks of dough into each glass, pressing down with your fingers to get good contact with the plastic wrap. Spritz the dough surface well, cover with the plastic you used as a work surface and stick into your proofing chamber. The glasses should look like this:
Let proof 12 hours at 80 – 85 degrees
Now heat oven with pizza stone and cloche to 500 degrees. Dust your peel thoroughly with cornmeal, and work with one loaf or 3 rolls at a time. Roll loaf onto flour and remove plastic, or invert glasses onto flour and remove plastic. Slide loaf/rolls onto pizza stone. Repeat with second loaf or remaining 3 rolls, arranging so that your cloche lid will fit without touching any of the loaves/rolls. Place lid over rolls/loaves and close oven.
Bake for 8’.
Remove cloche top and score rolls/loaves with knife/razor.
Re-close oven and bake 19 min more.
Remove bread and place on wire rack atop oven so that products cool slowly. This will help prevent shrinkage.
Here’s what you’ll have:
The crumb:
Unlike any other GF bread you may have eaten, this one doesn't stale in half a day. If you leave the rolls out their crust stays crunchy and their innards, moist. Freezing softens the crust, making them ideal hamburger buns. Of course they don't taste like wheat bread - they're mostly millet, after all - but they are excellent! Submitted by Reuben Morningchilde on November 12, 2009 - 2:19am Bäcker Süpke's wholegrain spelt bread with whole grainsI have already written about Bäcker Süpke's wholegrain spelt bread with whole grains in my 'other blog'. I've made this bread several times by now, and it always turned out flawlessly. It's nothing I could claim any credit for, but , seeing how charming Meister Süpke is in his comments, I don't really think he'd mind the extra publicity. So I sat down and translated the original recipe, hoping to spread this around the blogosphere a little. There are only two minor changes I made to the original recipe, apart from the translation, that is. For one, I shied away from adding the soft, boiled grains to the dough at the very beginning and kneading them for half an hour. I feared they would completely disintegrate and so I decided to add them only for the last ten minutes. And it works very well, the grains remain whole and apparently it makes for something like a double hydration technique, with the dough being able to build up strength before I add the final bits of liquid with the grains. Also, the original recipe calls for a bit of 'Brotgewürz', bread spices. Which is all very nice, but also entirely undefined as far as I know. So I guessed and used ground caraway and coriander seeds in equal proportions. Which turned out to be one of my luckier guesses lately. Both spices blend pitch perfectly with the taste of the spelt, warming and brightening the taste without being really distinguishable on their own. This bread has become a constant fixture of our diet, and I can only stress that it is the least 'healthy' tasting whole-grain bread I've ever come across. It never stops to amaze me that it's really brown and not grey, that it's rather sticky than crumbly, open-crumbed and yet perfectly sliceable with a nice but demure crunch to the crust. Roasted in the oven with just a few drops of honey until the corners start to turn dark, this bread makes a perfect treat on its own, or a great coaster underneath a grillt goat's cheese, or basically anything that needs a solid, earthy partner. The only thing I am not really happy with is the name, unwieldy as it is. Even in German with its infatuation with endless strings of words it's a rare thing to need 47 letters to name a single bread. But for a bread with such a long list of strong points, I am more than willing to put up with a lot, even this behemoth of a name. Bäcker Süpke's wholegrain spelt bread with whole grains for the boiled grains
for the sourdough for the soaker for the final dough for decoration On the day before baking, bring the grains and the water to boil in a small pot. Cover and leave to simmer gently for about 10 minutes, then take off the flame, stir, and set aside, covered. Mix all the ingredients for the sourdough until just incorporated. Cover and set aside. Mix all the ingredients for the soaker until just incorporated. Cover and set aside. Leave all three bowls to ferment overnight in a cool room, but not the fridge, for a minimum of 16 hours. On the day of baking, combine the sourdough, the soaker and the final ingredients in the bowl of your mixer and knead at lowest speed for twenty(sic) minutes. Leave to proof for an hour. Deflate the dough and add the boiled, cold grains. Knead at low speed for another ten minutes. Pour into a rectangular baking tin lined with non-stick paper. Even the dough and cover loosely with the rolled spelt. Leave to proof in a warm place for about an hour to one hour and a half. Preheat your oven to 220°C. Bake with steam for the first minutes and immediately reduce temperature to about 160°C. Bake for 100 minutes. Take out and leave to cool on a rack. Rest a day or at least until fully cooled before cutting. Freezes perfectly well, and tastes especially well toasted. Some more wise remarks of Bäcker Süpke:
Submitted by mizrachi on November 9, 2009 - 3:41pm Rising Problems with Sourdough No-KneadI'm having trouble getting the rise I'd like in a few different no-knead sourdough recipes. In fact, I'm not even sure how long to let the dough proof. Some recipes call for an hour or two, others up to 4 to 6 hours. I'm definitely not seeing my dough double. Any ideas how I can remedy this? Submitted by Teegstar on November 8, 2009 - 6:57pm Feeling deflatedHi everyone I've embarked into the world of sourdough baking and am running into the same problem with every loaf: my bread isn't rising properly during its final proofing. Everything looks healthy and rises well during the first two proofings but once I shape it/put it in the tin, it barely rises. I'd love some advice from some seasoned (haha) bakers on what I could be doing wrong. Teegstar |
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