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Elagins

it seems to me that one of the biggest hurdles beginning bakers face is the idea that because something shows up in a book, that's necessarily the way things have to be.

take sourdough culture, as in this thread. Peter Reinhart says, "..." and therefore that's how it has to be. Nothing against Peter Reinhart: he's an extraordinarily great baker and and extraordinarily talented teacher. the problem is simply that a lot of beginners, in their eagerness to "get it right," don't trust themselves.

fact is, we're dealing with a complex set of interrelated physical and biological processes here, and to insist that all sorts of unfamiliar (to those starting out) living organisms *must* conform with one person's observation or experience is, to me, a reversal of reality. we should be paying more attention to what actually goes on and then adjust our expectations.

so consider a starter. so much depends on the original source of the yeast (plum/grape skins? rye? capture from the air? yogurt?). yeast and lacto-/acetobacteria are everywhere and are location specific. then again, what about the flour? rye? wheat? organic? treated? high or low gluten? or the hydration ... acetobacter likes it dry; lactobacter likes it wet. ambient temperature will affect the rate of yeast and bacterial action. cold slows yeast and lactobacteria, but acetobacteria thrive in cooler temps.

reducing all this stuff, not to mention all the other random factors that may come into play, to a timetable is laudable and useful -- in fact, i've done it myself in a baking book i'm writing -- but one person's experience of the interactions among a complex set of factors and events shouldn't ever constitute a sole and immutable truth.

baking, like so many other things in life, is experience-based, and no book -- no matter how experienced the author nor how careful the research -- should ever become a substitute for observable reality.

when i use organic dark rye flour to start a culture, i usually get activity within 24 hours. like the spark from a flint, that germ of a culture needs to be nourished and nurtured over a couple of weeks of regular feedings before you can consider it a finished sourdough starter ... so what matter if the yeasts go active in 12 hours or 72? all that matters is that we capture the spark and nurture it into a flame.

baking formulas are great because they organize information and they convey an experience or set of experiences that generally work within a relatively broad set of limits. but within those limits are infinite variations of time, temperature and the interplay of ingredients ... and controlling those is the art of baking, as opposed to the science.

Erzsebet Gilbert's picture

A belated hello, a blog link with a few recipes, and fictional fanciful tales about bread!

April 2, 2009 - 9:01pm -- Erzsebet Gilbert

Hi, everybody!

Maybe this is a bit silly, since I've already exchanged messages with a few of your wonderful selves and posted my own question about how best to bake bread on a Coleman camp stove - and I received so many fantastic ideas and suggestions - but I hadn't really given an Official Introduction; essentially, I'm a writer and stumbling but devoted baker living in Hungary, and I've been so enthralled by the whole Fresh Loaf community.  

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Peter Reinhart is Accepting New Testers

January 18, 2009 - 9:45am -- gaaarp
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The day I've been waiting for is finally here!  I've read a number of posts where people refer to testing recipes for Peter Reinhart's books, so I sought out his website a few months ago.  He kept saying he was going to open up his blog to new testers, and the day has come. 

For the next week only, if you would like to test recipes for PR and report back to him on your successes/challenges/failures, go to http://peterreinhart.typepad.com/ and follow the instructions.

Happy baking!

Phyl

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Favoirte Recipes Using Starter? - Needing Inspiration

November 14, 2008 - 1:17pm -- bakebakebake

Hi Everyone!!

 I began a starter in April with the help of folks here and have been making consistently good sourdough bread since.  I bake some type of bread about 2x a month and try to use my sourdough in at least on one of these.  My starter seems very hardy and thankfully understands when I don't feed him for awhile - I just refresh before beginning and there has been no trouble with rises.

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About posting copywrited recipes....

July 7, 2008 - 1:42pm -- RFMonaco
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It seems I was a bit hasty in posting a recipe from KA (King Arthur) without the full required acknowlegements to the original source. Merely posting with "KA" was not enough. With some guidance from our leader Floyd, I requested more info from KA, this was they're reply...

"Thank you for your email. Yes, you can post our recipes online. We do request that you list King Arthur Flour as the source of the recipe, and include our current copyright:

©2008 The King Arthur Flour Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

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Recipe suggestions for making only 1 loaf of bread?

July 3, 2008 - 11:29am -- LaVidaMD

I was excited to read that post about "Susan's loaf." I think it's difficult to find sourdough recipes that only call for 3 cups (or less) of flour.

Does anyone else have a recipe that makes a 1 pound or 1 1/2 pound loaf? Also, am I correct in thinking that 3 cups of flour is approximately 375 grams?

Thanks in advance for any and all advice!

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bread in ancient Athens?

September 20, 2007 - 8:50pm -- wholegrainOH
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anybody have any sources for what would have been the bread in Athens during the 5th century BCE?  It's mentioned in many, many ancient texts, Solon says that leavened bread was reserved for feast days, Aristophanes mentions barley bread in a context that suggests it's the everyday bread for poorer people--but apart from that, can't find much.  Any ideas?

 

Alan

 

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