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Submitted by FlourChild on January 5, 2012 - 3:19pm Craig Ponsford's Ciabatta from Artisan Baking- help with crumb?This is from Maggie Glezer's Artisan Baking. Wonderful flavor, glossy sheen to the crumb and slightly chewy, can't wait to make it again. The only issue I had was that the large holes were clustered just under the top crust, rather than being more or less evenly distributed throughout the crumb. And the crumb in the bottom half of the loaf was more dense, with no large holes. Anyone know how I might improve upon that? My thoughts focused on either more aggressive dimpling, or on proofing less. It's a yeast-leavened dough with a 24hr biga and a touch of whole rye and whole wheat. My biga was supposed to triple in 24 hrs but only reached 2.5x by 28 hrs, by which time I went ahead with the recipe.
Submitted by Ryan Sandler on May 22, 2011 - 10:33pm Ciabatta Quest: Weeks 4 and 5 - Down the Rabbit HoleDespite failing to post about it, I'm still at my quest for a perfect, hole-y ciabatta. The last two weeks were interesting, to say the least. If you recall, two weeks ago I baked Craig Ponsford's ciabatta (a la Maggie Glezer), with results that were just about perfect. Last week I tried to replicate the experience. First, the formula and proceedure: Biga:
*(originals calls for mixing 1/2 tsp yeast with 1 cup water, then measuring 1/2 tsp yeast-water into the biga. I have a scale with 0.01g graduations, and just measured 0.02g. ) Final Dough
This formula is fun to make. This is the dough after mixing:
First Fold, Before and After Second Fold, Before and After Third Fold, Before and After Last Fold, Before and After Ready to divide and proof: Dimpling Exterior: Crumb: This bake was...puzzling. As you can see, these loaves were awfully tall for ciabatta. The crumb was tighter than the previous week, more akin to a batard. The flavor profile was a bit difference as well--the sour and whole-grain notes were stronger, while the poolease-y flavor (what I think of as pain a l'ancienne flavor) was more muted. Indeed, if I'd stuck a couple of sourdough batards into my oven, and pulled these out, I'd have been neither surprised nor displeased in the least. Since I in fact loaded a pair of conventionally leavened ciabatta...well, color me puzzled. Cut ahead to today. I had intended to take another stab at the Ponsford recipe, but a number of circumstances prevented me from putting together a biga in time. That 24 hour fermentation time is tricky to work around. I did have time for a poolish, so instead I took another stab at SteveB's Double Hydration Ciabatta, with some modifications inspired by the Ponsford Ciabatta. It went like this: Poolish:
Final Dough
The results: Curiouser and curiouser! Excellent crumb this time, much better than my two previous tries. The dough seemed much stronger than on my previous two attempts, and I think the crumb is a result of that. The dimpling technique may be a factor as well, hard to say. Also rather tall for ciabatta, although not as ridiculous as last week. Crust was nicely crispy. Flavor was clean, sweet and creamy. I think I liked the Ponsford ciabatta's flavor more, but it would be somewhat deceptive to say that one was "better" than the other, because they're really very different. Proposition: An open crumbed ciabatta requires a strong dough. Getting a wet dough like ciabatta to be strong is the trick, but multiple stretch-and-folds will do it. Happy baking, everyone. -Ryan Submitted by Ryan Sandler on May 7, 2011 - 8:52pm Ciabatta Quest: Weeks 2 and 3 - the Adventure Continues!Well, I quite failed to get around to blogging last weeks' ciabatta attempt, and now here it's Saturday and I have another bake to describe. Last week I made another stab at SteveB's double hydration ciabatta. If you recall in week 1, I got very nice flavor and crust, but an unimpressive crumb. I also found the process, which involves almost 30 minutes of mixing, rather cumbersome. The first time I modified Steve's process to add a French fold halfway through the rise, and I figured this time I either needed to modify the recipe more, or stick strictly to Steve's directions. I went for the latter, cutting down the mixing time, and adding 2 stretch-and-folds to the rise. The results, however, were quite similar to week 1:
Crumb was perhaps a little better, flavor a little worse. So much for modifications. Anyway, this week I took a shot at Craig Ponsford's ciabatta, as interpreted by Maggie Glezer, as interpreted by these two blogs (the first has better directions, the latter had weight measurements). This formula involves a very stiff biga with a little bit of whole grain and just the teensiest bit of yeast, which is fermented for a full 24 hours (28 in my case). Hydration is just north of 80%, and it takes 4 stretch and folds to make it behave. The results, however, were phenomenal And here's the kicker:
You may notice the loaf on the right is a little funky looking--it stuck to the couch a bit, and I failed to get it all on the parchment when flipping it over, and so I had to manhandle it a bit to clear the couche and slip a scrap of parchment underneath. As you can see, nicely caramelized crust (nice and crispy too), crumb wonderfully open (nicely chewy too), and the flavor...oh the flavor. This was one of the best tasting breads I have made, period. The combination of a big dose of poolease-y nuttiness, a tinge of sour, and notes of whole grain in the background was just heavenly. I think this formula is a keeper. Beyond getting fabulous results on this occasion, I enjoyed making it. I like doing stretch-and-folds, feeling the dough and watching it mature and come together. Even if it gets the same results, I'd take a recipe with stretch-and-folds over one with none and a long mixer time any day. Just a matter of personal taste there. There's still some work to do--I still need to work out my flipping technique, and I still have some kinks to work out in the formula itself, in order to get the exterior shape more even (enough kinks that I'm going to refrain from posting my take on the formula just yet). But this is a positive step for sure! Happy baking, everyone, -Ryan Submitted by zolablue on February 24, 2007 - 2:56pm Ciabatta challenge - BBA recipeThere has been some discussion about problems with the BBA ciabatta recipe and not being able to achieve an open crumb. I have tried this recipe 3 times with varying results based on changes I made but was still not able to get the crumb correct. I'm a very new bread baker but this was the first recipe I made about two months ago. Each time it had a very good flavor and I think its worthy of trying to find out if it is a flawed recipe or if those of us who've tried it are making some error. |
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