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Submitted by varda on December 14, 2011 - 12:13pm Tzitzel Bread - The Journey EndsNot quite two years ago, when I joined TFL, I had a simple goal: I wanted to figure out how to make Tzitzel bread which was a favorite when I was growing up in St. Louis Missouri. I had recently started baking bread, and I figured how hard could it be. When I searched the web, I found nothing for Tzitzel, but plenty of recipes for rye bread - many of which I tried. Nothing was even remotely like what I remembered, and given my level of expertise, it was pretty poor eating. I joined this site where I had been lurking for awhile and asked the question. Again, no one seemed to have heard of it. I did get a lot of great advice for baking Jewish Rye, and settled on "Jewish Corn Bread" which was a combo of some points in a comment by Norm (nbicomputers) on a David Snyder post, and one of Greenstein's recipes from Secrets of a Jewish Baker. This kicked up the quality several notches, but still wasn't right. When I started my quest, I had emailed the retiring owner of the St. Louis bakery, Pratzels, where my father had bought Tzitzel. Early on she told me that it was "just" a Jewish Rye wrapped in corn meal. Later, when I knew more, I asked her again, and she told me that it was made with medium rye and bread flour. It wasn't until a few weeks ago, when I got my latest shipment of King Arthur flours, that I had some medium rye to play with. At the same time, admiring a gorgeous Challah posted by dawkins, I gave up my resistance and bought a copy of Inside the Jewish Bakery. And there was the answer - I was off base using the corn bread recipe. I should have been baking Jewish Deli Rye. On page 74 the authors include a paragraph saying that to make Tzitzel one should modify their Jewish Deli Rye thus and so, and voila - Tzitzel. And so ---- Tzitzel. Thank you Norm and Stan!
Submitted by varda on March 27, 2011 - 5:45am Pratzels is not closing - found a new ownerI received this good news: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: IRIS SALSMAN (314.495.3017)
PRATZEL'S BAKERY TO RISE AGAIN The Tradition Continues with New Owner
Like the 98-year-old sour starter that forms the basis of its legendary rye bread, Pratzel's Bakery will soon open under new ownership. Jon Mills, a documentary producer and self-professed foodie, has purchased the Pratzel trademark, recipes and kitchen equipment from Ronnie and Elaine Pratzel, who operated St. Louis' only independent and Jewish-owned kosher bakery for 40 years. Mills, who is not Jewish, plans to run Pratzel's out of the company's 7,200-square-foot wholesale baking facility at 9265 Dielman Industrial Court in Olivette. And, in a similar way to how the bakery operated in the U-City Loop for fifty years, he will convert part of the bakery into a storefront that will sell products right out the oven. "The news of the closing of Pratzel's was treated by the media as a local travesty - and in many ways it was," says Mills. "St. Louis is very proud of its rich past and has witnessed many of its iconic brands and institutions disappear over the last two decades. To have Pratzel's join the ranks of McDonnell Douglas, Anheuser Busch, The Parkmoor and The Arena was very painful - especially to many people in the Jewish community who depended on the bakery's parve (non-dairy) kosher products." Mills goes on to explain that, contrary to popular belief, Pratzel's had not closed because of financial reasons. During 2010 the owners had a few health issues and were ready to retire. With no family members willing to assume the mantle, they looked for an outside buyer but did not find a good match until Mills stepped forward. "Although he is not a relative, Jon is the perfect person to continue my family's legacy," says Ronnie Pratzel. "He's bright, capable and young enough to have the energy to run this operation. Plus, he has a deep appreciation for the history and tradition of Pratzel's in our community. In fact, he's named his company Eastgate Bakers in deference to our location on Eastgate in University City." So what does the future hold for Pratzel's? Ronnie Pratzel will still be involved as a consultant and salesperson. Many of Pratzel's former employees have expressed interest in returning to the bakery. The legendary bagels will return. And the tzitzel rye, as well as the upside-down cupcakes, kosher donuts and other beloved favorites. Mills is already learning the lingo. "I believe this opportunity is beshert - meant to be" he explains. "I look forward to greeting old friends and new when we open our doors."
Submitted by varda on December 26, 2010 - 1:36pm (as) Authentic Tzitzel (as I can make)
Over the last year I have been trying to make a Rye bread called Tzitzel, which I remember from a bakery in my home town - University City, Missouri. The bakery is still there and still makes Tzitzel, but as I don't have much (any) reason to go back to U. City, I figured I'd better learn how to make it myself. After many attempts, I finally felt that I managed to make a respectable Jewish Rye with a nice crust and flavor http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/20506/jewish-corn-rye but it still didn't taste anything like the Tzitzel I remembered. Recently I took advantage of the brief free shipping period at King Arthur, and ordered White Rye and Sir Lancelot flour, neither of which I'd baked with before. I tried making Jewish Rye with these two flours instead of Hodgson's Mill Stone Ground Rye and King Arthur Bread Flour. I started to feel I was onto something despite the fact that the white rye flavor was much too mild, and the loaves puffed up like a white flour wheat loaf, which is very un-Tzitzel-like. Today I tried again with a rye sour made with 2/3 white rye and 1/3 Arrowhead Mills organic rye, which is a whole rye flour, but much less gritty than Hodgson's Mills. This time, the shape (broad and squat) flavor and texture were much more on target. So now I have one more thing to add to my long list of baking lessons that I've learned this year - the flour matters. If I want to get any closer to the original Pratzel's tzitzel, I am going to have to find out what kind of flour they use, and that's that.
Submitted by davidg618 on March 8, 2010 - 11:05am Jewish Rye: second bakingSaturday using Rye Sour excess from an earlier baking--3 or 4 days ago--I built more Rye sour, flollowing Greenstein's Secrets of a Jewish Baker; I did stage 3 feeding late Saturday evening, and refrigerated the refreshed sour intending an early Sunday morning bake. Sunday; early AM: I let the sour come to room temperature (it had nearly doubled overnight, and risen more in the 1 hour warmup. I'd measured 25 oz. of Rye Sour into my hand-mixing bowl, and put the remaining cup of sour in the refrigerator, for another day. I'd previously weighed out the dough's First Clear flour, salt, and yeast. I was about to pour the dough's water addition into the sour when the phone rang. Five minutes later I was out the door, heading for a local carriage driving show; it's organizer had called and asked my assistance. I couldn't say no. I spent five minutes covering the Rye Sour with plastic wrap, and putting it back in the refrigerator. The rest of the mise en place was left where it sat. I came home late afternoon, sunburned of face, dusty, weary, and pleased with the day's work. However, I was in no mood to bake bread. Monday (today) I picked up where I left off. Mixed the dough, and baked two loaves. Minor differences: obviously the extra twenty-four hours retarding the sour; I restored the salt to the original recipe (I'd reduced it slightly when I made it the first time.), and I made the starch glaze with arrowroot starch instead of corn starch. I use arrowroot starch in lieu of corn startch in most cooking recipes. I find its silkier consistency more to my liking. The first time I baked Jewish Rye, I had a couple of crust blowouts: unwanted blowouts. (see Unwanted crust cracks and bursts; any ideas why? )
I got some good suggestions from other TFLer's, on how to prevent them. I incorporated all (or most) of their suggestions processsing this dough. I scored deeper, and (my idea; a variant of another's suggestion to make them longitudinal) I angled the slashes slightly from being square with the loaves' long axes; and I final proofed until I was certain any further would be over-proofed. Here's the results, no Grand Canyon bursts!
I am, of course, delighted with the result. I'm certain the crumb will be consistent with the first bake. Thanks again to all those who helped me avoid unwanted crust bursts with this bake--and, hopefully future ones. There is only one small doubt in my head: did the unplanned retardation influence the absence of unwanted cracking? D**m, I'll just have to bake this formula again, and eliminate the extra 24 hours. Tough, but somebody's got to do it. David G
Submitted by dmsnyder on July 11, 2009 - 4:05pm Jewish Sour RyeAfter last week's 70% rye bread, which I thoroughly enjoyed, I wanted to return to the first rye I had made – Jewish Sour Rye – to see if my tastes had shifted. I made the Jewish Sour Rye from “Secrets of a Jewish Baker,” by George Greenstein. This is a classic “deli rye,” or “light rye.” It is made with a white rye sour. Rye snobs (who will remain nameless) turn up their noses at white rye because it has so little rye flavor. In fact, most of the time, I make this bread with whole rye. But, this time I made it “by the book.” Well, not exactly by the book. Greenstein's book provides volume measurements for all ingredients. It has been criticized for this. Last year, I worked out the ingredient weights for the Sour Rye recipe, and these are provided below.
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Jewish Sour Rye Jewish Sour Rye crumb Well, the verdict is: I like rye bread – white rye, dark rye, whatever. Each has it's place. The Jewish Sour Rye I had toasted for breakfast with Salami and Eggs was just right. The 70% Sourdough Rye I had for lunch with slices of Smoked Gouda and Cotswold cheese was perfect. It's not such a hardship, having to make these choices. David Submitted to Yeast Spotting on Susan FNP's Wild Yeast blog (This week, hosted by Nick at imafoodblog)
NY Style Jewish RyeI have been looking for a good NY Style Jewish Rye here in Boise, and can not find one. Therefore, it's time to bake myown. Here is a link to the recipe http://www.rockinrs.com/Living%20Cookbook/NY%20Style%20Jewish%20Rye.htm, slightly modified from another source, but very good and the bread does resemble the Jewish Rye of New York. All I need now is a pickle, some ham, good cheese and mustard! I am happy with the crumb and the general density of the bread. I really do like the blend of sourdough and rye flavors. Submitted by dailybread101 on August 26, 2008 - 6:12am Greenstein’s Corn (RYE) Bread
Greenstein’s Corn (RYE) Bread. This is my first try. :) I'll re-do it tand make it:
Thanks in advance for your comments! Greenstein’s Corn (RYE) BreadA first try to bake this bread. :) I'll re-do it to make it: |
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