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Submitted by Toad.de.b on January 9, 2012 - 11:24am Soakers & Botanical DogmaI'm a 'returning' baker. I did a short tour of duty at friends' Tassajara-inspired breadshop startup in the early 70's, but hadn't made a loaf since, until my son miracled me Lahey last year. NKB broke the ice, but didn't cut the mustard for flavor & texture. So I'm studying Reinhart, Magee, Buehler et al. to up my game. I have a question that none has answered. I apologize in advance for how long this post will probably be. More preface: I teach university-level botany, including the physiology and enzymology of the hydrolytic reactions that release stored, polymerized substrates when a cereal seed imbibes water. Reinhart is warmly inspring in his fascination with enzymes and his consequent advocacy of pre-ferments. But there's something about soakers in particular that contradicts botanical dogma. Imbibition of water by cereal seeds (barley being the longstanding research model here) allows the stored hormone gibberellin to diffuse from the embryo ('germ' in baker-speak) through the endosperm to its outermost aleurone layer where it binds to protein receptors in aleurone cells. That binding sets in motion a series of biochemical reactions that ultimately result in starch-degrading enzymes being made de novo in, and secreted from, aleurone cells. Among these enzymes are the amylases familiar to anyone reading this. Other stored polymers -- proteins, fats, nucleic acids -- are also hydrolyzed by newly syntheized and secreted aleurone enzymes. So far so good -- Botany 101 cereal seed germination physiology. As far as I know, these aleurone-synthesized hydrolytic enzymes do not exist in desiccated cereal grains of the sort we mill into bread flour. They only get made (to be precise, translated de novo from messenger RNAs) in intact seeds that have imbibed water that allowed diffusion of the hormonal signal from the embryo. This implies that there shouldn't be any amylase enzyme activity in a soaker consisting of flour and milk, soy milk, buttermilk, etc., unless the milk introduces them. I don't recall any writers claiming that. So where do soakers' hydrolytic activities come from? Addition of yeast or diastatic malt changes everything of course. But I'm talking basic liquid+flour soakers. On the other hand, if sprouted grains are used in a soaker, and perhaps importantly, if they are gently mashed first, to release these enzymes to better expose the flour's starch to them, then the latter might indeed be acted upon by aleurone enzymes to release simpler sugars (read: flavors) from the flour. (I'm dying to try this) So why do soakers work? Starch-hydrolytic enzymes should not be present in them, because the cellular integrity of the seed that is required to initiate their synthesis is destroyed in milling. Empirically of course, soakers do work. It isn't the milk: I've used ultrapasteurized (Meijer organic -- good!) milk in my Reinhart soakers with delicious results. Ultrapasturization oughta nuke any enzymatic activities for sure. Is my dogmatic view of germination and amylases overly simplistic, ignoring rogue amylases conveniently present in milled grain? Or are these writers giving enzymes more credit than they're due, ignoring some non-enzymatic, physical process? Sorry for the verbosity. Incorrigible. I have more questions, but they can wait. Thanks. Submitted by bshuval on November 18, 2011 - 9:03am 100% rye bread -- take two (with pictures)A couple of days ago, I posted here about my failed attempt to make a 100% rye bread. I had followed a recipe by Hadjiandreou, and experienced some problems: I had a gummy crumb and flying crust. I received many helpful comments from the users of this community. The "post-mortem" of the bread suggested that the reason for my problems was excessive enzyme activity. There could be various causes for this (e.g. bad flour quality, insufficient acidification, etc.). I had checked that my sourdough is acidic enough, and at one bake I actually added extra vinegar, so I was pretty sure acidification wasn't the problem. The flour is stone ground, and I have no way of checking its quality other than baking. (I have 3 kilos of it at home, so I hoped its quality was adequate). One other cause for increased enzyme activity is letting the dough proof at a high temperature for a long time. The recipe calls for mixing the dough with boiling water, which obviously raises the dough temperature considerably. I decided to try making 100% rye bread again. I used the same flour, and the same recipe, but made the following changes:
I took photos of the process and resulting bake. This time I am very happy with the crumb. The dough baked out, there was no flying crust (!), and the flavor was excellent. I still need to improve the baking (I'll mention some things I want to improve next to the photos), but this is a big improvement. Thank you all for your help!
I first refreshed my stock sourdough in preparation for making the production sourdough (to borrow a term from Andrew Whitley):
Here is the sourdough after overnight fermentation:
It rose well and smelled nice and fruity. I weighed out the rye flour for the production sourdough:
I added the water and starter, and mixing to get a cohesive dough. Here is the just-mixed production sourdough:
At this point, I went to work. When I got back from work, it has matured and risen nicely:
I mixed in the salt, water, and remaining flour. Here is a picture during the mixing:
And the mixed dough:
With wet hands, I shaped the clay-like dough into a log and placed it in a pan:
It's not the best shaping job (shaping 100% hydration rye is not an easy task), but it is shaped. I fermented the dough for exactly two hours. It rose slightly but did not seem to do all that much during fermentation. My kitchen temperature was 18C.
I baked the bread, and this is what greeted me out of the oven. First a top view:
It looks okay, but it is a little too dark in some places, and also there's a large rip down the side (I was hoping for the mottled look).
I then took a picture of it from the side:
The unattractive rips are quite apparent here. Next time, I think I will try to dock the bread before baking. I also too a picture of the bottom of the loaf:
There are a few patches of darker color that I cannot explain. If anyone has an explanation, I'd love to hear it!
After an excrutiantingly long wait, I finally cut into the bread. It was a little soft upon touch, which could have been due to a flying crust. I cut into the loaf with dread, fearing another hole. I was pleasantly surprised to find out there was no flying crust, and that the crumb baked nicely:
Now if I could only find what happened to the bottom of the loaf (where you can see the gummy strip)...
Thank you all, again, for all the help. This is a fabulous bread, well worth making.
Submitted by MsL on February 4, 2010 - 7:34pm Enzyme additives listed in flour ingredients?Hi. i'm not sure if this is the right place to post but I'm sure folks who have allergy issues are experts in ingredients lists. Does anyone know if enzymes ADDED to flour have to be listed in the ingredients on the flour bag (in the US)? I could not find this info on the FDA site. Thanks. Submitted by carrtje on August 25, 2009 - 5:59pm Temperature Influences on Bread as it BakesI stumbled upon this earlier. I thought it was really interesteing! This is reprinted from: http://www.motherearthnews.com/Relish/Temperature-Influences-on-Bread-as-it-Bakes.aspxEnjoy!
Temperature Influences on Bread as it Bakes10/19/2007 12:00:00 AM
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If you've been frustrated by trying to bake bread at home, learning something about what is happening as a loaf cooks can be helpful. The following chart is from Bread: A Baker's Book of Techniques and Recipes by Jeffrey Hamelman, director of the Bakery and Baking Education Center at King Arthur Flour. (You can read my recommendation of the cookbook here.) 77˚ to 122˚F (25˚ to 50˚C):Rapid increase in yeast fermentation; increase in enzymatic activity; beginning of crust formation; starch swelling; accelerated gas production and expansion contributing to oven spring 122˚ to 140˚F (50˚ to 60˚C):Rye starch begins to gelatinize; bacteria die; enzymes in yeast are inactivated; yeast reaches thermal death point (at about 140˚F) 140˚ to 158˚F (60˚ to 70˚C):Wheat starch begins to gelatinize; loaf expansion slows; coagulation of gluten begins; amylase enzymes reach maximum activity 158˚ to 176˚F (70˚ to 80˚C): Gluten coagulation is complete and dough structure is formed; enzyme activity decreases; rye starch gelatinization ends 176˚ to 194˚F (80˚ to 90˚C):Wheat starch gelatinization is complete; enzyme activity ceases 194˚ to 212˚F (90˚ to 100˚C):Maximum internal loaf temperature is reached; crust coloration begins 212˚ to 350˚F (100˚ to 177˚C):Maillard reaction develops crust color; ketones and aldehydes form, eventually contributing to flavor and aroma 300˚ to 400˚F (149˚ to 204˚C):Further crust color and flavor development through caramelization |
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