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It has been a few months now..

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ArieArie

It has been a few months now..

 

 

Its now a few months since I discovered and started reading this forum. I must say I learned a lot from the very experienced members here.

 

However I find it hard to contribute as I am not formally trained nor did I have such resources as the Internet or popular books when I started baking bread, 35 years ago.

 

I do things a bit different than the common wisdom, so my not much of my experience actually apply. Not to mention that I did not have the professional terminology to describe what I'm doing (but I'm learning).

 

I developed my bread making over the years by trial and error (lots of errors) and here is how I make sourdough bread. 

 

My starter I'm using now is probably over 15 years old. I made it myself by mixing flour and water and natural fermentation. I dry a sample of the starter every year, and now my freezer has many many ziplock bags with dry starter..  

 

I always have a small plastic jar in the fridge that is 3/4 full of starter. When I decide to make bread (at least once a week) I put the WHOLE jar of starter in the mixer bowl and add all the water I would use for the bread and half the flour I would use for the bread.

 

 

I mix well until homogeneous, and let ferment for 8 to 10 hours (temp dependent).

once it is nice and bubbly I return  some of the fermented mixture to my starter jar (same amount, 3/4 of the jar), and that is my starter for next time.

 

Now I add to the mixing bowl all the other dry and liquid ingredients and make the bread. From now on the process is pretty conventional. 

 

I almost never "feed" the starter as I use it and renew it once or twice a week. When on occasion I can not make bread, and the starter gets too hoochy, I discard 3/4 of it and add fresh flour and water in ratio of, what now I know is called, 100% hydration (I guess that is "feeding")..

 

there are some things which I learned about making the bread, which I believe, are specific to my starter: the starter is very lively, but can not go through more then 2 full cycles of fermentation. The third rising is too slow and low.    If I ferment the mixture for over 12 hours it damages the structure of the dough (gluten I presume) and all loaves become focaccia.. :)  

 

for the many years I am baking bread I was using volume (cups) to measure flour and liquids, and for the most part the breads were consistent. But as friends and family started baking my bread I needed to figure out what the stuff weighs, and now I use weight to measure quantities. I also learned which flour work best for me, and now I use Beehive Patent Flour, unbleached, from Honeyville Grains, or King Arthur unbleached bread flour, or in a pinch, Gold Medal - better for bread - unbleached unbromated ...

 

I have posted my recipe on line: http://www.litman.com/food/recipes.htm  and click on "Bread"

 


Arie

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hutchndi

Hallelueah!

Never feel that you have less to say than any of bakers here that have had better access "proffesional training" than you. I would rather hear what you had to say about baking bread than any of them. If only I could go back to my first loaf anf learn from you....

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flournwater

Howdy, Arie, and welcome.

I agree with much of what hutchndi had to say.  Anything you have to offer, whether or not it's consistent with the current trends or experienced technical information, are valuable and many of us would enjoy your comments on bread making.  We'll share what we've learned; you do the same.  It's amazing what we can all learn, even when there's disagreement on a subject, from simply comparing and contrasting points of view.

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The Roadside Pi...

Hello Arie,

There are all different kinds of bakers on TFL. While I agree that attention to detail and a very disciplined approach to bread making will yield the best most consistent results. That's just not for me, the techniques I learn here have made my bread much better. But I still use a somewhat casual approach compared to The professional and other very talented bakers on this site. I do use grams whenever possible, I don't worry much about exact temps. As long as my bread is ready by dinner I'm good. Anyway join in learn teach have fun. One observation i have made is that engineers make great bakers!

Oh I almost forgot welcome.

Will

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cgmeyer2

i'm interested in finding out how you dry your starter. would you please post this on the forum. i'm also interested in any bread making experiences you can share.

thanks, claudia

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ArieArie

here is a post with directions.. similar to what the video is showing.. 

http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/13977/quotbacking-upquot-my-starter

 

as for my bread experiance, I would love to share, if you have specific quations.. 

this is how I make my bread: http://www.litman.com/food/bread.html