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Stuck on Italian

Bixmeister's picture
Bixmeister

Stuck on Italian

I love the texture and crust of Italian bread so I looked for a recipe that used preferment. Here is the recipe that I mostly followed with some modifications: http://www.artisanbreadbaking.com/breads/italian/italian.htm

I decided to shape in the form of Boules for this baking session:

The Boule on the left was freeformed while the Boule on the right was formed in a Banneton

This is the free-formed Boule up close glazed with egg white

and sesame seeds

 

This is the Boule formed in Banneton and withour sesame 

seeds

 

This is the crumb formation of the free-formed Boule

 

As mentioned earlier I used the recipe in the link, but with modifications.  I used an Italian Sourdough starter that I had refrigerated.  I fed the starter then allowed about 12 hours at room temperature(mid 70s) to become

fully activated.  I observed bubble formation of starter as well. I used the starter in lieu of the preferment in the recipe.  I wasn't sure of my starter's hydration but would guess around 70%.  I mixed the  activated starter with the final

dough ingredients in the recipe,  After mixing dough with paddle and dough hook I placed dough on floured surface then hand kneaded slightly to get a feel of the dough.  I then placed in a round plastic container similar to King Arthur Flours container

but purchased much cheaper from Smart & Final store.  I placed the dough in the refrigerator for overnight retarded fermentation.  I do the same for all my breads and pizza dough too..  I believe it improves the dough and it allows me to bake early in the day

when I am rested and more energetic.  I started baking around 9 am the next day.

 

I acknowledged that I had a wet dough during mixing with my paddle attachment on Kitchenaid Artisan mixer.  By the way I purchase new paddle attachment on the internet that boasts scraping the sides.  The original paddle did

not scrape the sides.  The new one really works!  I hardly need to use a scraper before switching to the dough hook for kneading the bread.  Another hint from Fine Cooking magazine is to spray the attachments with oil spray to minimize

dough sticking to attachment.  This works well also.

 

Because my dough was on the wet side I decided to implement a folding routine at 30 minute intervals.  I did 3 folds using standard folding technique.  The texture was excellent so I am glad I used folding.

 

I am still trying to master scoring.  It takes care, a good sharp blade and practice.  I believe the scoring depth was the major problem here.  I noticed that when I moved the blade(serrated tomato knife) across the bread's surface that the blade

would pull the dough.  This would deform the tic tac tow look.  The 2nd boule using the banneton I tried to avoid the deforming by reworking the blade at individual cross areas instead of across the entire surface in one motion.  I believe this worked

better.

 

I am open to comments and suggestions.

 

 

SylviaH's picture
SylviaH

Nice looking bakes, Bix!  Tasty looking crust and the crumb turned out very nice.  I like the boule shapes too...did you notice the loaves take a little longer to bake than the batard shapes?  I love Italian breads to....  Thanks for the hint about spraying the oil on the paddle...I'll definately do that.

Sylvia

dmsnyder's picture
dmsnyder

Hi, Bix.

Those Italian breads look delicious.

It's interesting that the recipe calls for a poolish rather than the more typically Italian biga.

Re. scoring slack doughs: You can reduce the drag on the blade by wetting it before each cut. Generally, a fast slashing also works better. I also read in one of my books that shallower cuts (1/4 inch deep) actually work better with wetter doughs than a deep cut.

David

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Bixmeister

Thanks for the comments, Sylvia and David.  I will try wet slashing next time and see what happens.  I was trying for a 1/4 inch deep slash.

 

Bix

Kuret's picture
Kuret

Doesnt Hamelman write that biga is the generic italian term for preferment? In that sense a poolish, pate fermente, sponge etc. can be called a biga.

I seem to recall that he also writes something about hydration percentages varying between pancake batter and stiff doughs. So this poolish probably is a biga!?

Great breads! I love sesame seeds on top of lightish breads.

dmsnyder's picture
dmsnyder

Hi, Kuret.

My understanding is that a biga is always a rather firm preferment that contains flour, water and yeast. I have seen hydration levels between 45 and 57% for bigas.

A poolish is always a 100% hydration preferment with flour, water and yeast.

A Pâte fermentée has the same proportions of flour, water, yeast and salt as the final dough.

The Atrisan, a great web site for Italian bread baking (and Italian cooking in general), has a discussion of preferments from an Italian perspective. See:

http://www.theartisan.net/MainCommFrm.htm.

Hamelman is a great authority The statement you cited is on pg. 95 of "Bread," for any one who wants to read it. However, do read the section of The Artisan I mentioned, and consider Michel Suas' glossary entry for "biga" in "Advanced Bread and Pastry" (pg. 1002):

Historically, an Italian preferment, a biga is prepared using flour, water, and yeast, with a hydration of approximately 50 to 55 percent. It is allowed to ferment at 60F (16C) for 18 hours. Today, the term biga is often improperly used as a generic name for a preferment.

I cannot find the discussion of biga in the Talmud, but I'll keep looking. ;-)

David

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flournwater

Just wanted to fix your link, David.

http://www.theartisan.net/MainCommFrm.htm

That period at the end of your URL string sets an error.

 

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dmsnyder

David

Bixmeister's picture
Bixmeister

I just wanted to let everyone know where to buy the scraping blade for Kitchenaid mixers that I mentioned above in my Stuck on Italian post.

Go to: http://www.solutions.com/jump.jsp?itemType=PRODUCT&itemID=13085

 

Bix

LindyD's picture
LindyD

I checked the instruction manual for my KA Artisan mixer and it states:

ALWAYS use the dough hook to mix and knead yeast dough.

The blade does look handy for lighter fare.

Bixmeister's picture
Bixmeister

I use the paddle only to bring the ingredients together into a homogenous mix.  I then immediately switch to the dough hook.  When I used the paddle that came with the Kitchenaid mixer I had to stop the mixer often to scrape the sides of the bowl.  The better paddle makes it unnecessary to stop the mixer before the ingredients are thoroughly mixed.  I've done it both ways.  The new paddle is a big improvement.

 

Bix

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PeterPiper

Thanks for the tip, Bix.  I've always wondered why my KitchenAid paddle left so much material on the side of the bowl--it's especially a problem when trying to cream butter and sugar!  And to everyone out there, don't try to scrape down the sides while the paddle is moving.  That paddle has some serious torque.  I should stress I have not done this.

-Peter