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My attempt at a porridge bread and others

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leslieruf

My attempt at a porridge bread and others

I wanted to have a go at making a porridge bread using Bob's Red Mill 6 grain + flaxseed hot cereal mix.  I added some barley flakes and some wholewheat flour, freshly milled.

Levain: 86 g @ 100% hydration built the day before, with the final build having some bran included. It was left to mature overnight.

Porridge mix:  I wasn't sure about this so I weighed out 54 g cereal mix (20%), 13 g barley flakes (5%) and added 70 g water then cooked it gently.  Straight away I realised I had insufficient water so bit by bit I added water, maybe 30 g but some was lost during cooking. At the end I had 162 cooked porridge. Allowed it to cool.

Mixed the main dough: 202 g bread flour (90%), 27 g wholewheat flour 10% - bran removed and used in levain and 84 g water.  It wasn't enough water so I added another 40 g water and left it for 30 minutes to autolyse. The dough was very firm.  Then added 4.9g salt, 10 g yoghurt and 86 g levain and hand mixed and did a few slap and folds etc until well incorporated.  30 minutes later did 1 set of stretch and folds, adding another 10 g water. Then another 2 sets of stretch and folds before leaving to bulk ferment.  After about 4 hours I preshaped, left for 45 minutes, shaped and popped it in the fridge overnight

Baked next morning 240 deg C for 15 minutes in DO lid on and 15 minutes lid off. 

and the crumb shot.  

The crumb is tender, flavour is good.  First time in a long time that I have added the yoghurt and I am happy with the outcome.  I set out to make this without a known recipe so really winged it.  I need to go back and recalculate my bakers % as they have changed with the additions.  I will make this again, maybe tweak it a bit not so far so good.

At the same time that this bread was bulk fermenting I had Teresa Greenway's Potato Water Blister Crust SD underway.  I love it and the double hydration technique works well.

The crumb is lovely - a delicious bread

I was on a roll, most of it planned. The next 2 loaves were 1:2:3 loaves with 15% freshly milled rye.  One had a firm starter @ 65% hydration and the other a liquid starter at 100% hydration.  Both loaves were mixed, 30 minute autolyse, salt and levain added - slap and fold until incorporated, then 3 sets of stretch and folds at 30 minute intervals.  Bulk ferment was 3.5 hours for the 100% hydration starter, and 4 hours for the firm starter.  Doughs were easy to manage and after shaping were retarded overnight. Baked at 240 deg C for 15 minutes lid on my DO, 15 minutes lid off.  My objective with this bake was to see if there was an obvious effect from the starter.

100% hydration loaf (850 g)

65% hydration loaf (550 g)

So I find that the 100% starter gave a slightly more open, lighter loaf - interesting.  It also bulk fermented quicker.  So although I keep my starter as a 65% STARTER in the fridge, I will continue to build a 100% hydration starter for my breads.

Now for the last bake of the day.  I looked at my container of left over milled flour in the fridge and thought I should use it up.  So I mixed up a 100% levain first thing in the morning using what was left over from the night before.  I popped it in the microwave at 80 deg F and it was ready when i wanted to mix things up.

Flour mix - 187 g of milled, stored spelt, rye and wholewheat and I have no idea of ratios.  I added enough white flour to make the loaf using 250 g so it was 25% white flour.  Just a straight 1:2:3 again.  I was treated as the others and it was the last to proof.  It had a good 12 - 13 hours in the fridge.  I shaped it as a boule and this is what came out.

and here is a crumb shot.  

I am happy with it, it was a total unknown.  Have frozen it so will try it out some time during the week but although it is a little flat, the crumb is ok I think for a 75% whole grain loaf.

It was a marathon day, but as I mixed things one after the other, provided it wrote times down, it worked well and mixes were about 15 minutes apart and stretch and folds 30 minutes so it all coincided most of the time.  The bulk ferments just happened one at a time and there was no drama. I kept my hydrations around 70 - 72% and the dough was good to handle.  Some lessons learnt!

A good day.

Leslie

PS sorry about the photos, don't know how to re orientate them as they were taken with my Samsung phone rather than my ipad. 

Comments

pul's picture
pul

Cool baking and results. I like the double hydration using the potato water. The crumb looks so soft.

The 1:2:3 formula always provides great results. This formula is really versatile. Now, I am intrigued with the sentence "I popped it in the microwave at 80 deg F and it was ready when I wanted to mix things up." When I read it the first time, I understood that you microwaved the poor little thing. Lol. Now I think you used the pilot lamp in the microwave oven to keep thinks at 80 F, right :)

 

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leslieruf

as it was a spur of the moment thing, I needed the levain to be up and going so used the microwave with the door cracked open so the light stays on. I find this keeps microwave temp quite steady around 80deg F.

thanks pul

Leslie

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hreik

My brain would be porridge if I'd done so many different loaves...  They all look great.... The crumb of the potato looks so soft and I bet it will toast up beautifully.  The Bob's Red mill porridge bread looks yummy and the 1:2:3 ryes??? what can I say.... it all looks masterful.

I'm hugely impressed at the variety and esp. the outcomes.  Beautifully done, Leslie

hester

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leslieruf

the potato water sd is one I love. Don’t make it too often. I think I was a bit rough at the end and degassed more than I should have, but the taste is good anyway.  I love the versatility of 1:2:3 and especially with some rye in it.  

happy baking Hester

Leslie

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alfanso

Aside from them all looking so lovely, I really enjoy when folks like you, and you seem to do this regularly, experiment with differing starters, etc. all in the name of discovery and improvement.  And, well, self-satisfaction in scratching that itch!  After all it is a hobby, and a mighty tasty one at that.

alan

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leslieruf

it always seems to need scratching, doesn’t it! the trouble is that after a bake like this I have to wait longer till I bake again.... still it was fun and it is very satisfying when it comes out well.  I like a little variety in my bread too.

thanks Alan

 

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bottleny

One had a firm starter @ 65% hydration and the other a liquid starter at 100% hydration

1:2:3 Method is based on 100% hydration starter. Did you convert the firm starter into 100% one before making it using 1:2:3 method? Or just use 65% starter directly on 1:2:3 ratio? I'm just curious why these two loafs look different after the bake.

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leslieruf

the difference was only in the hydration of the levain. So the 100% levain build was 1:1:1, whereas the firm starter was 1:2:3 and therefore more water in the final dough.  

Lol, I don’t know if I approached it the right way, but the result showed some differences so I think it is ok.

thanks

Leslie

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bottleny

Initially, I thought you converted stiff starter 65% into 100% first one before using 1:2:3 recipes (100% starter vs water vs flour) to make bread.

Is that how you compared two different starters using 1:2:3 method?

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leslieruf

I keep my starter in the fridge at. about 66%. hydration all the time. it is now nearly 4 years old.

when I bake, I take a small amount and build a new 66% hydration starter.  Once it has risen and I know it is good, I usually build a 100% levain in 3 stages, one of which will have bran in the mix.  

for my comparison bake, I did a further 66% hydration build (using the refreshed 66% hydrated starter) to be used as firm starter and as total hydration was the same in both bakes, i had to add more water in the final dough, and I use a spreadsheet to calculate this.  For the 100% hydration bake, I made a final 100% hydration build as usual.

hope this makes it clear, I don’t know how else to clarify my process for you. ?

happy baking

Leslie

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dabrownman

I hope you have an army to feed!  They all look grand and have to taste great!  I prefer 66% NMNF starter and 100% hydration bran levains by far! 

Well done and happy baking 

Happy

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leslieruf

there’s no army here ☹️ so it will take a bit to get through unless I get visitors, lol.   

you have definitely influenced my baking over the last couple of years. love the NMNF method, adding bran

leslieruf's picture
leslieruf

was trying to say that you and then Danni3113 made me realise that adding bran to the levain was a great super boost to the levain. I am still learning...

happy baking

Leslie

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dabrownman

too.  That is what TFL is all about.  You never know who will discover what next:-)  It is all much fun, personally rewarding that it is no wonder so many enjoy it and bake the best bread in the world - right here for all to see!  And we can bake them all to taste them too!  Lucy always goes for what ever tastes best to her!  If it looks good inside adn out too...then all the better:-)

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Cedarmountain

Leslie, you've been very, very busy and with great results...that is a beautiful batch of bread you've baked!  The crumb on all your bread looks deliciously chewy and soft and the crust, especially the 6 grain+flaxseed, ww, barley flakes loaf, looks great.  I am in awe of your energy and the variety of bread created in one baking session, well done!

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leslieruf

it was a busy day for sure, and, lol, cleaning up took ages.  And yes, I was really happy with the way it all went.  I was really winging it with the 6 grain loaf as I had no idea on what the hydration needed to be, I will definitely try again...  but maybe not so many different ones that day, ?

look forward to another of your posts soon I hope..

Leslie