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Jon OBrien

Victorian Bakers

Those of you who have direct or indirect access to BBC 2 television transmissions might be interested in this programme. Episode one of three to be broadcast this Tuesday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06vn7sq

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Colin_Sutton

Thanks for posting this, Jon.  I have set a diary reminder. Looks really interesting. Best, Colin

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tom scott

Jon.  It appears I can stream it from here (Washington State.)  I just watched the trailer.  Bookmarked the link.

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dabrownman

I would love to watch from Phoenix

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suave

Is it too good at least?

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tom scott

Dab,
Think I missed it being shown live.  Need to look up GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) and relate it to local.  My best hope now is that they make it available for streaming or it goes on Youtube.

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dabrownman

show airs live on the 5th at 6 PM I think - So you haven.t missed it

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tom scott

Dab.  I appreciate that.  If I'm visiting relatives in Scottsdale again I'll buy you a cuppa' 

 

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Jon OBrien

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Jon OBrien

...until last night. I was really disappointed.

For more than ten years, starting, I think, with 'Tales from the Green Valley' the BBC has screened historical documentaries with an element of experimental history to them. The majority have been about farming and have seen three or four historians immersing themselves in farm life, using only what would be available to people of the period. Each series of 12 episodes was filmed over a complete farming year. Experts on particular topics were often brought in to teach some of the skills these people would find necessary, such as ploughing with a team of heavy horses. Periods from the 16th century to WWII were covered in five or six series which, to me and many other people, were compulsive viewing.

I had hoped that Victorian Bakers was going to be in the same vein, even though only three programmes cover three different parts of the Victorian era. Unfortunately, we were given four bakers who didn't have much knowledge of the period, the bread they were being asked to 'recreate' or the heritage grain they were given to work with. One of them bakes cup cakes, never bread, for a living and another one runs a commercial bakery selling frozen, par-baked loaves as far away as China. Only two run high-street bakeries and only one of them had any interest in long-fermentation baking. They were given some old books, a bucket of very wet brewer's yeast, shown a WFO and a pile of faggots and told to get on with it, without even the briefest instruction on using the oven or gauging its temperature. Hardly surprisingly, one of their bakes was a disaster because the oven was too cold and one produced decidedly pale looking loaves. A third produced a sheaf loaf and a yeasted caraway cake. We learned that baking was hard work back then but not a whole lot else.

This is evidently cheap filler produced to capitalise on the popularity of The Great British Bake Off and titled and costumed to be reminiscent of the excellent Victorian Farm. Just to underline the non-existent link, one of the historians involved in the farm series (Alex Langlands) is one of the presenters.

To his credit, the guy making the frozen 'bread' seemed to be genuinely moved by the aroma and taste of the one reasonable batch of bread they produced and made noises about doing something similar when he retired. I bet it'll be with a big mixer, though, having seen him working over the trough. Though I'm not convinced that they really needed to put as much energy into the dough as they did. Those Victorian bakers will have known that time will do a lot of your kneading for you because they weren't dropped into the job like these four.

I don't think I'm going to be bothering with the two remaining episodes.

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dobie

Thanks for the review Jon

I now know not to go out of my way to find it. Sad, really. It had potential, but apparently little else.

'Tales from the Green Valley' sounds very interesting tho. I'll see if I can't scare up some episodes.

dobie

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Jon OBrien

It has been released on DVD so it should be out there somewhere.

See also the section headed 'Sequels' at the foot of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_from_the_Green_Valley They're all worth watching, I think.

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dobie

Will do Jon

Nothing yet, but we'll see.

dobie

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RootsAndWren

They've got Tales from the Green Valley and Victorian Farm (also really good) in a box set on the BBC shop website. Not sure if you need to be here in the UK to order from them but maybe worth a try?

http://www.bbcshop.com/factual/victorian-farm+tales-from-the-green-valley-boxset-dvd/invt/av9930?source=112_74&gclid=CJqkj6eD8soCFUKeGwodzYMIww

Nicki

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dobie

Nicki

Yes, I eventually found it and enjoyed it very much. I've also found the Tudor Monastary Farm, Victorian Farm and Edwardian Farm. All very good.

I'm now working my way thru Secrets of the Castle and have War Farm and Pharmacy on tap.

It's a fun series.

dobie

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KathyF

Two of the episodes have shown up on Youtube. I found it to be fascinating:

BBC iPlayer - Victorian Bakers - BBC Documentary 2016










BBC: Victorian Bakers Ep 2 - Documentary 2016