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Ascorbic Acid Preservative

Drcro41883's picture
Drcro41883

Ascorbic Acid Preservative

How much ascorbic acid do I need to add to my bread to get preservative benefits, but not impart any flavor?

jstumpf's picture
jstumpf

15 parts per million in the flour is a pretty typical concentration. Be careful, though. Too much will turn the loaf into a grey brick. If you mix 5 grams of ascorbic into 495 grams of flour, then use about 2-3 grams of that mixture in every kilo of flour in the recipe, it should turn out pretty well.

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mwilson

perhaps you should know what it is used for before using it...!! Silly rabbit.

Ascorbic acid is not used as a preservative in bread. It is a dough conditioner. By way of a chemical reaction it will oxidise dough. Making it stand tall and proud. Don't expect it to extend shelf life.

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rgconner

Ascorbic acid (vitamin C) does have a preservative effect in addition to conditioning dough. 

I don't think the Ascorbic Acid oxidizes the dough, it is an antioxidant. It is an acid, which means it would assist in gluten formation. Think adding acid to eggs: they curdle instantly.

"L-ascorbic acid and its sodium salt are antioxidants and they are extensively used as preservatives, color stabilizers and for related functions in various foods and beverages."

http://www.fda.gov/Food/IngredientsPackagingLabeling/GRAS/SCOGS/ucm260452.htm

also:

http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/7416/ascorbic-acid

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mwilson

Use of ascorbic acid in a dough system will not have a preservative effect nor will it create an acidic environment.

‘Ascorbic acid is, of course, a reducing agent but, during dough mixing, the enzyme ascorbic acid oxidase, naturally present in flour, catalyses its conversion to its oxidising form, dehydroascorbic acid (DHAA). In a reaction catalysed by another flour enzyme, DHAA converts glutathione (GSH), a tripeptide naturally found in wheat flour, to its dimer (GSSG). GSH, but not GSSG, can form disulfide bonds – so removing GSH prevents it from disrupting the disulfide crosslinking that otherwise form between gluten proteins.’

http://www.sustainweb.org/realbread/ascorbic_acid/

This idea that an acid will assist in gluten formation is not accurate either. The addition of acid to eggs will thicken them before curdling. The same coagluation occurs with gluten. Acids will also oxdise the dough. Oxidation strenghtens gluten.

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rgconner

No wonder bread is so hard. Chemicals that act everywhere else one way don't in bread.

Ascorbic acid is a preservative everywhere else, but not in bread.

Acids create denatured cross linked proteins everywhere else, but not in bread.

We are lucky the water gets the flour wet. Or maybe it doesn't maybe it is some other mechanism.

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Reynard

When we made quick bread rolls in Home Economics at school (this is going back some LOL) we put half a crushed vitamin C tablet in with the flour, and only did a single rise. Can't remember how much that was in mg, but the tablet was tiny IIRC. The purpose of vitamin C is to speed up the rise.

I've noticed that vitamin C is added to some, but not all, white bread flours here in the UK. The basic Waitrose white bread flour has it added in, whereas the ordinary Tesco own-brand does not. It doesn't appear to be added to the more expensive white bread flours.

If you want to extend the shelf life of your bread, then the easiest way to go about that is to add fat to your dough. I find that adding an ounce or so of lard to my dough (I rub it into the flour & salt mix before putting in the liquids) tends to work quite well.

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rgconner

In quickbread, any acid is going to help boost the lift. 

I am curious how long bread is lasting for people. Mine lasts unrefrigerated up to a week, using the Forkish biga recipe. 

The sourdough lasts even longer, but it tends to get way too crusty.

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Joyofgluten

(AA) my two cents worth;

I have a close contact, who has made a career in the flour analysing biz, the subject of ascorbic acid has come up more than a few times. It is evidently standard practice world wide in the milling industry to add ascorbic acid at the rate of 2ppm, this amount is adjusted according to variables in crop quality etc. Because this addition is undetectable in the finished product, a labelling declaration is often not required, this varies from country to country. It is a mistake to believe that there is any benefit vitamin wise from the AA addition.Smaller regional mills often lack the equipment required to evenly mix this minuscule amount in the flour.    I have a few textbooks on loan from the flour testing lab, in a nutshell, what I glean from them is that L. ascorbic acid (more often just referred to as ascorbic acid)is in itself not an oxidant, however it has an oxidising affect.  Snippets from „Baking Problems Solved“ by Stanley Cauvin and Linda Young -Wood Head publishing 2001page 54   „(AA) In bread making it is used to improve dough gas retention through its effect on the gluten structure. In terms of chemistry AA is a reducing agent, but during mixing it is readily converted to dehydroascorbic acid(DHA) in the presence of oxygen and ascorbic oxidase enzyme, which occurs naturally in wheat flour.The dependency on oxygen for the AA to DHA conversion means that the quantities of air incorporated during dough mixing play a significant role in promoting oxidation. This means that AA-assisted oxidation varies with mixer type because of the ability of different mixers to occlude different quantities of air.„The net result of the AA effect is to improve the ability of the dough to retain gas (as seen by increased oven spring) and to yield bread with a finer(smaller average cell size) crumb cell structure. These changes also result in bread crumb that is softer to the touch yet has the resiliency to recover much of its original shape after compression. This helps to convey the impression of improved freshness to the consumer.from page 55 „ The oxidising effect of AA is mainly limited to the dough mixing period because’ yeast will remove any oxygen remaining in the air bubbles by the end of mixing or soon after its completion“„If AA is used in dough making processes with extended periods of fermentation then the opportunity exists for the reducing effect of AA to weaken the gluten structure with subsequent loss of gas retention in the dough. Ascorbic acid is thus best suited to no-time dough making systems.“
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drogon

... kind of bread are you making that you need to add preservative into?

It's not a usual question here where there are mainly home bakers with the few people running small commercial operations. (AIUI).

-Gordon

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dablues

I have some but never used it and never will.  I have no idea why I even bought it.  I got away from store bought bread because of all the enhancements in it.  To me store bought bread is glorified glue.  Anyway, just my thought on adding any chemicals or anything to bread.  That why I started to learn how to make bread, so I can have it like it used to be not what it is now.  But that is only my opinion. 

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dablues

I have some but never used it and never will.  I have no idea why I even bought it.  I got away from store bought bread because of all the enhancements in it.  To me store bought bread is glorified glue.  Anyway, just my thought on adding any chemicals or anything to bread.  That why I started to learn how to make bread, so I can have it like it used to be not what it is now.  But that is only my opinion.