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What's the secret to a great strawberry donut/pop tart glaze?

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jvlin's picture
jvlin

What's the secret to a great strawberry donut/pop tart glaze?

I've been trying to make a good glaze, but can't figure it out. Does anyone have a good pop tart/donut glaze recipe? Specifically, I'm having trouble with the strawberry flavor. All the local donut shops have a delicious (albeit artificial) strawberry glaze that I simply can't replicate with frozen/freeze-dried strawberries or natural flavoring.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!!

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David Esq.

You can't replicate a flavor that is artificially enhanced. And "natural" does not mean you can create it outside the laboratory or without a chemistry degree. 

People make millions developing these flavors that trick your brain into needing/wanting more. 

I doubt this helps, but your goal should be to make sometihing tasty, not made with beaver anal secretions, and which people will want to eat knowing what you used to make it. 

Good luck. 

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David Esq.

My apologies. My annoyance at the food industry got the best of me. 

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jvlin

No problem! I was just trying to replicate something like Sprinkles Cupcakes' strawberry frosting. They say it's all natural, but it tastes very strong, almost artificial. I don't know how they do it!

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David Esq.

The term is used for two reasons. 

First, because companies don't want to give away the secret formula. 

Second, because the secret formula has nothing to do with strawberries or anything else the consumer would willingly eat. 

In the case of raspberry, strawberry and vanilla, it is safe to assume "natural" means the anal glands or secretions therefrom, of the beaver. 

just another reason to avoid anything with an ingredient list that does not disclose things in words that would let you make it at home. 

http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/castoreum.asp

 

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MisterTT

maybe they are beavers grown completely naturally in the wild! :)

I didn't know this one, but I like to freak arachnophobes out by pointing out that red food/cosmetics coloring is made from spiders.

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David Esq.

I think you are referring to carmine. Thought thar was derived from dried cactus beetles. 

In any case, I have asked manufacturers if their natural flavors are derived from animals. I haven't received aN answer but assume the answer is beaver ass when I dont get an answer. 

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jvlin

According to a Sprinkles employee, their strawberry buttercream is just butter, sugar, and frozen strawberries. I feel like there must be something they're doing differently, probably the process. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't use castoreum, as it would be huge grounds for a lawsuit if their purported natural flavors were created synthetically. Still, though, it's so good. I guess it's not that easy figuring out glaze..

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David Esq.

The FDA allows you to call this crap "natural flavoring" so there would  be no lawsuit.  All Natural does not mean anything more than it comes from the beaver's ass.

Or, really, the cow's udder.  But udders and asses are really different animals in my book.

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oslon

I learned something about castoreum today because of you, and I find it very interesting. When I recently learned that rennet used in cheese production comes from the stomach of slaughtered young calves I was a little shocked, and so it is with this.

The Swedish wikipedia page for Castoreum say you could buy it at the pharmacy, and that it was so popular, the beavers became extinct in Sweden. Swedish beavers of today are descendants of Norwegian imports. (Which perhaps makes us Norwegians a less barbaric people...)

But the fact that people of bygone days found use of such things is testament to both ingenuity and thriftiness. Not unlike, I guess, the food industry of today.

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MisterTT

I mean, joking aside, it is natural in the sense that it naturally exists in nature. I've no problem with eating something like that, if anything it is preferable to synthetic flavoring. As you point out yourself, it's no different than milk -- people don't go "oh my god, milk is from the cow's mammary glands", so why should beaver anal glands be any different.

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oslon

Oh, it is fine by me. And given good reasons for hunting beavers -- right now I know of none, I will consider it a definite plus that the castoreum can be used to food and more.

I'm still left a little shocked, though.

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oslon

gah. sorry, you weren't replying to my comment...

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David Esq.

When I want cold milk it has to come from an udder. But I never want ass juice. Plus, I don't want synthetic flavoring. Call it beaver ass flavor of you want to sell that. Don't market it as vanilla or whatever. The "super" flavor is deceptive as well as disgusting in source and  cruel.  I just want a freaking berry or beam flavor. I do not need crap in my food to fool me into thinking I am eating what I want. 

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MisterTT

maybe it's the strawberries that trick you into thinking that you're eating beaver anus juice.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

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gary.turner

thumbs-up. Kinda like Shakespeare's plays being written by another guy with the same name.

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mini_maggie

Try strawberry milk syrup or powder (like Strawberry Nestle Quick) as part of your sugar for the glaze. 

If you want natural, the large tasteless strawberries widely commercially available just won't cut it.  You'd need very ripe wild strawberries to get anywhere near the intensity of flavour you're looking for.

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jvlin

Thanks, I'll try this!

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andychrist

So all you have to do is throw some in a blender with enough confectioner's sugar, dash of FruitFresh (Vitamin C to retain color.) For a harder setting frosting, mix potato starch* in with the sugar, simmer and blend in butter until evenly combined, but add in FF last. Dribble on while still hot.

Just whipped up a batch myself last night, had to laugh because the color and flavor were so intense, could have been artificial!

*Potato starch stays clear, unlike corn starch, which clouds.

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jvlin

Thank you very much! I definitely will try this. Very excited!

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largeneal

Use confectioner's sugar/liquid in a 12:1 - 16:1 ratio (which is 3/4 C - 1 C of confectioner's sugar per 1 TBSP of liquid).  Just stir to mix and you're good to go.  I've never done strawberry, but I do lemon/orange every so often (juice AND zest - yum).  BUT if it were me, here's what I'd do - take a 1 lb. container of strawberries, toss them with sugar (1/2 c or so), cover them, and refrigerate them for a day.  After that 24 hours, the sugar will have drawn out a delicious strawberry syrup, which you can use as your liquid for the glaze (flavor AND deep color).  You'll have more than enough, but always nice to have extra sugary strawberries on hand :)  If you want to add texture, I suppose you could puree some strawberries, drain them through cheese cloth (too much liquid in glaze & it will be too runny), and mix into your glaze (but I'd just go with the syrup).  Enjoy!

jvlin's picture
jvlin

This sounds delicious. I will definitely try this with lemons and oranges as well! Thanks!

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carltonb

In order for the flavor to be concentrated, I used dried fruit powders I make.

In an oven or dehydrator dry out your strawberries, raspberries or any fruit or vegetable. Then in a food processor, or coffee grinder make it into a powder. The flavor is very strong.

You can also by fruit powders from a number of vendors.

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clazar123

I know a professional cupcake/cake maker that makes her strawberry buttercream with a little of the powdered strawberry jello and fresh strawberries. Tastes delicious but I am NOT a fan of artificial.

America's Test Kitchen did a strawberry cake with strawberry buttercream and used frozen strawberries,drained the juice and reduced it and then used the frozen strawberries. Looked good.