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UK flours - which to chose?

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PetraQ

UK flours - which to chose?

Hello there, I'm pretty new to baking and I'm moving to UK and can't seem to get the right flour.

I am making no-yeast bread with only rye flour fermented. At home I'd use rye 960 type flour for the fermentation and then add plain wheat 00 type flour or similar, like 460 type. 

Can I use rye 997 type instead of 960? Will there be much difference?

And would plain white UK flour do for the 00? Will it be fine enough?

Thanks!

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ananda

Hi Petra,

Light Rye Type 997 is the closest you will come to Type 960; they should be very similar indeed.

With regard to choosing white flour, yes, Plain flour will give you the closest grind, and possibly extraction [ash content] to "00" flour.   But it is made from All-English wheat, so it is very weak.   Try it by all means, but I would suggest using a mix of Plain and Strong [Bread} flour for what you want.   Or, you could seek out proper Type "00" flour from a specialist miller such as Shipton Mill.   See this webpage here: http://www.shipton-mill.com/flour-direct-shop/white-flour

Best wishes

Andy

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PetraQ

>Thanks Andy! Just to be sure, if I go for the mix, do you mean 50:50? I'm trying to keep the cost bellow 1pound/kg so trying to avoid shipton mill :)

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PetraQ

One more question.. whats the real difference (in baking) between the two flours bellow? is the vit. C added to one of them? is there really a difference? thanks!
http://www.dovesfarm.co.uk/flour-and-ingredients/sack-flour/25kg-traditional-orgstrong-white-bread-flour-unbleached-and-without-ascorbic-acid/
http://www.dovesfarm.co.uk/flour-and-ingredients/sack-flour/organic-strong-white-bread-flour-25kg/

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Laura T.

With regards to 00 flour, I have seen this on sale in uk supermarkets as tipo 00 flour or 'pasta flour'.

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PetraQ

Thanks Laura, I will have a look for it.

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Cob

Petra, you're seeking niche flours, and I'm afraid, only the miller's will provide them, unless you can find a local deli or stockist. Shipton Mill sell their flours via retailers, but perhaps not the one's you're looking for, only the general ones like strong white.

I have used the Light Rye by SM, it's ok, nothing more. But I'd just buy whole rye and sift it. I'm not sure it's worth the spend. I know one German deli, who sell their flours. http://backhaus.co.uk/index.php?cPath=71&osCsid=m7b303j18ln975asu6fpfdtne2

For Rye I use the organic Dove's Farm (excellent quality) or even cheaper, Asda Rye flour (a supermarket flour, about 60-80p?). For a white 'Light' version, I would sift it. Time-consuming but cheaper than getting Shipton Mill flour delivered.

I looked at the Doves Farm, both actually contain vitamin C. Look at the second link, it's in the ingredients. Also, if you're unsure contact them, they'll be welcome I'm sure. By the way DF is organic only, they're still roller-milled.

As for 00, I recommend Sainsbury TTD 'Pasta' flour (£1.20-30), its very good. I've tried McDougalls' too, it's also good, but pricier. Both are easily attainable.

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PetraQ

Cob, so much info, thank you. I am quite happy with the Dove's farm selection. Of course I'll know more after I make a few samples, but already it seems it's easy to get what I need, plus Dove's farm delivery is quite cheap for the amount.

Many thanks!

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Laura T.

Don't forget amazon as a source for flours too! Also, pasta flour (00 flour) and others are available from this online shop http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/sect/FCIFLSP-Speciality_Flour.html and many of them are organic.

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Cob

Yes, I agree Amazon do amazing bulk case/sack deals (Dove's Farm and Bacheldre mainly), but I am not so happy with Bacheldre Mill. I don't think some of their flours are as good as other miller's.

Waitrose is a supermarket especially notable for it's huge selection of flours, Petra! Their 00 flour (made by Carr's, an excellent, reliable but roller-milled brand who will soon, they tell me, introduce a Carr's Rye Flour) is only £1.10/kg: http://www.waitrose.com/shop/ProductView-10317-10001-261004-Waitrose+super+fine+00+grade+pasta+flour

 

I have never tried Waitrose's rye flour, £1.49/kg: http://www.waitrose.com/shop/ProductView-10317-10001-261024-Waitrose+dark+rye+flour

The supermarkets are getting better and better due to the rise in home breadmaking. About time! There's no need to order direct from millers yet, I agree delivery is very expensive (but they are not making money via delivery). But, we need to demand their flours to be stocked on our supermarket shelves....!

Some other German bakeries in London may stock flours, but German deli's will definitely stock flours. But you have to pay the import fees. Some Scandinavian bakeries/deli's will have a selection of rye-based goods too.

Good luck, any other questions, do ask. We welcome another baker to out shores gladly!

Lots of rye in this country, no fear!

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Helmsdale

Hi

I find, despite my prejudices, that of the general supermakrkets in the UK, Waitrose sell the best bread-making flours. I buy Batcheldre Mill stoneground rye and wholemeal from there.  I also get 00 plain white (14% protien, and labeled 'For Pasta') from Waitrose. You can also buy good spelt and kamut there, both sourced in the UK. However, for my strong white bread flour, I've now switched to using Carrs which I buy from Sainsburys - after using Allisons Very Strong for a long time, I find the Carrs gives me a better crumb.   For the rest of my baking needs (e.g. potato flour, malt extract syrup, seeds etc), I go to my local Holland & Barrett Health shop.  

I'm not keen on buying in bulk, so although a regular baker I only buy bags of flour as required, with my general food shopping. So no niche flour boutiques for me, but I do like to cut food miles by getting stuff that's sourced in the UK whenever possible.