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strattor

Finding Rye Flour in NYC

Hi, I live in New York City and have been searching for months for somewhere I can find whole rye flour. I can find white rye, but no dark, whole rye flour like pumpernickel. And forget about whole rye berries or cracked rye. Anyway, does anyone know where to find the stuff?

 Thanks,

Reid 

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sphealey

Bob's Red Mill has a whole grain organic rye that they call a dark but which is more finely milled than some other millers' dark rye, and also a pumpernickel meal that I think is close to what is called pumpernickel in Germany.  Their store finder shows 10 stores that carry BRM in Manhatten and I would assume many more in the outer areas.

King Arthur's pumpernickel flour is a flour, not a meal, but it is 2 or 3 steps coarser than BRM's dark flour.  I have never seen it in grocery stores in the Midwest but hey, you live in NYC so perhaps someone there has it?  Otherwise time for a fall drive to Vermont...

My spouse just bought a 5# bag of Hodgson Mill rye which is a coarse flour similar to KA's pumpernickel.  I have only done a few loaves with it but it seems to be working well and unlike the KA flour is not listed as nut contaminated.  Hodgson Mill is common in midwestern grocery stores but I am not sure about the east coast.  HM's store finder is here, but it asks for a lot of information. 

HTH. 

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ejm

Unbelievable! What is it about cities? And it's not as if there isn't a call for rye flour in a city like New York!

I had a similar problem in Toronto. I finally found dark rye flour in our local Health Food Store but it was rather overpriced. I wonder if "Whole Foods" might carry it? (no doubt overpriced there as well) It looks like there are at least 3 Whole Foods stores in Manhattan.

I finally found it here in Toronto at a supermarket chain called Sobeys. I paid Cdn$5.60 for a 2.5kg bag of dark rye flour (Five Roses) Personally, I cannot stand the Sobeys chain - they generally overcharge disgracefully ($5/lb for butter… fully a dollar more than we pay at 'no frills' supermarket down the street).

It is apparently also available at St.Lawrence Market (Rube's) for anyone looking for dark rye flour in the Toronto area. Rube's probably sells rye berries and cracked rye as well.

-Elizabeth

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sphealey

I asked a friend who lives in NYC (Brooklyn that is - never imply to a Brooklynite that he/she is from "New York") and is an accomplished cook where rye flour might be found and received this response:

 

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Since there are so many specialty shops in NYC, I have to believe that you can get just about anything here. That said, I'm not sure where I would go to look for coarse rye flour. There are a few well-known gourmet grocers in Manhattan, so if I couldn't find it at Fairway (my first place for everything) or Whole Foods (some are better than others. I like the one on the Bowery the best.), I would try any of the following:

Zabar's
Balducci's
Dean and Deluca
Jefferson's Market
Garden of Eden

There's a ton more, but that's where I'd start.

Also, I looked at Citysearch, and found the following (have no idea what these are [Ed note: these sound like wholesalers]):


Flour Plus Baker's Supply Incorporated
350 Meserole St
Brooklyn, NY 11206
Phone: (718) 417-7596

A Oliveri & Sons Flour & Baker
619 Luis Munoz Marin Blvd
Jersey City, NJ 07310
Phone: (201) 319-9112

Gordy Howard Bakery Supplies
871 Shepherd Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11208-5227
Phone: (718) 927-9511

David Rosen Bakery Supply
350 Meserole St
Brooklyn, NY 11206-1733
Phone: (718) 381-0600

Last but not least, from what little info I was able to ascertain from others, you can often buy flours at your local bakery or deli. There's trillions of those.

Ok, lastly for real this time, I might also try Russian or Polish stores. There's a bunch of those, as well, some in my neighborhood. There's a bog one called Moscow on the Hudson up in the Washington Heights area. Brighton Beach is still a haven, and there's a place called Russian Bread Co. Incorporated (more citysearching) on Brighton Beach Boulevard.

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sPh

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nbicomputers

Gordy Howard Bakery Supplies
871 Shepherd Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11208-5227
Phone: (718) 927-9511

David Rosen Bakery Supply
350 Meserole St
Brooklyn, NY 11206-1733
Phone: (718) 381-0600

these are pro suppliers i used them for years as well as

otto brem yonkers

and sidco on webster ave

they will have what you want but be ready to buy a 50 or 100 pound bag since thats how the bakeries buy them

in dec for my cookies and baking in the house family and friends i got a 11 pound bar on dark and a 11 lb bar of white choc cotting as well as a 50 lb bag of all trumps hi gluten flour (a glod medel product)

and other hard to find in stores things but like i said earlyer be ready to buy by the case bag or pail and bags are 50-100 lbs pails are 48 lb pluse and cases are 6 # 10 cans.

retired and loving it

ex baker -production manager

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staff of life

I only thought we had that problem down here in the South.

SOL

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subfuscpersona

hi strattor

I live in Manhattan. If you have rye berries (whole grain), I would be happy to mill some flour for you from it. I have a Nutrimill, which will produce a fine rye flour and a Kitchen Aid grain mill, which could be adjusted to produce a coarser rye flour.

If you need a NYC source for organic rye berries, I buy mine at the organic section (upstairs) at Fairway Market at 2127 Broadway (between 74th & 75th) in Manhattan. I do notice that there is a Fairway in Red Hook but don't know if they carry whole grains. However, here's a link to the Fairway online store locator so you can check out the Red Hook store if you're not already familiar with it.

Just to be clear, goes without saying I wouldn't charge you for doing this.

If you're interested, reply to this thread with your email address. We can coordinate further via email.

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strattor

Thanks so much everyone for your help! I am so grateful for all those suggestions, sphealy, and your kind offer, persona. I actually work (at a bakery) a block or two from the Fairway on Broadway. I didn't know there was an upstairs though! I'll have to check it out. I'll also hunt around a bit at some of those store suggestions for rye flour, and if I still have no luck, I may take you up on your offer to mill some for me.

Thanks again!

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girathryn

Hi all,

This thread is probably dead but wanted to share in case others are finding this in 2011 or beyond, like I did. I live in NJ, just across the river from NYC and have searched high and low for rye flour.

I FINALLY found rye flour for cheap at a website called iHerb.com. It's Hodgson Mill all-natural, stone ground rye flour. The 5 lb. bag costs $4.28 - WAY cheaper than Amazon. I bought 6 bags and only paid their $4 flat rate for shipping. If you're a first-time buyer on iHerb, you can use this coupon code they gave me at checkout for $5 off: PUM485.

I bought 6x5lb. bags, used the coupon, and paid a grand total of $24.68. I am so excited!!!! The only place cheaper I found it was Hodgson Mill's actual website, but they were charging almost $20 or shipping. :(

Hope this helps someone!!

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thomaschacon (not verified)

...and one you might not think about checking is at health food stores and/or vitamin shops. You know the ones: They have 200 types of Vitamic C, but no pharmacy of any kind. That's where I buy mine. It's usually very cheap. Check the refrigerated section where, if they have rye, they'll likely have four different kinds–and all sorts of other flours too, like buckwheat and barley.

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rccooks

girathryn

THANKS!!!!!  I bake for a living out of my home (farmers markets and events) and haven't been able to manage purchasing a pallet of Hodgson rye directly because I just don't have the wherewithall to store for a year while I work my way through that much.  I've been special ordering 120 lbs at a time from my local supermarket (Stop & Shop) for full bustout retail and that has been driving me nuts, but I figured it was better than any substitute I've found so far (including ConAgr Rye Meal Pumpernickel Flour, which is OK but I suspect is not whole grain, plus it is still not milled as coarsely as Hodgson).  It's a pain cutting and dumping 5lb bags into my 150lb rolling ingredient bin (versus 50lb bags, which are a lot faster and more convenient) but that's the sacrifice I've had to make to maintain the quality of my rye bread.

Because I used your $5 off coupon and because iHerb.com gives another 5% off for orders over $60 I was able to cut my price from $124.56 to $92.58.  This is a significant savings!  Granted, it's not nearly as good as wholesale, but a heck of a lot better than full bustout retail!

Thanks VERY much for the heads up!  Send me contact info and I'll send you a loaf of my bread, if you like!  :)

RC

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girathryn

What farmer's markets do you attend? It isn't necessary to send me a loaf of your bread but I am so glad that iHerb worked out for you. I've checked their site for a lot of other stuff and not all of it is cheaper, but some stuff (like the rye flour) is really a good deal!

Happy baking!

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rccooks

Girathryn

Sorry I never answered your question re: farmer's markets.  In the almost 4 years since I started I've done a total of 10 different markets, always searching for that perfect one that is close enough and has enough foot traffic to justify the time and expense.  Aside from the one in my own town (Falmouth, MA) all the others have been less than ideal.  For the last three seasons I tried one after another to come up with just one additional good market, without success.  This coming season I will only be doing one market in this town and concentrating instead on weekend events.  I've done craft shows, waterfront festivals, harvest festivals, etc. and mostly they've been very good for me since I did my first one a couple years ago.  Between the farmer's market and events I'm booked already this year for all weekends except two between now and Labor Day and 5 open weekends until Christmas.  I've also done 3 wine events and I just booked my first-ever beer event.

I'm stlll using iHerb.com, by the way, and still getting that great over-$60 order discount.  Although sometimes the bags break in shipment (they credit me), by and large it's the best deal I can get.  Since I do several different varieties of rye bread I also purchase from them all my Bob's Red Mill products (whole grains, seeds) as well as other necessities like Tarragon, fennel, etc. by the pound.  It's worked out very well, especially since they're very dependable in terms of shipping out on time and arriving here 3 days later, sending tracking info, having an easy-to-print receipt, etc.  So far only one shipment has been delayed - a pretty good record.

All the best.

RC

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subfuscpersona

That adjective FREE probably got your attention. Here's the skinny...

If you purchase organic rye grain, I will be happy to mill it for you (if you're a registered TFL member) at no cost.

I live in NYC. I own a Nutrimill grain mill. I will be happy to mill up to 5 lbs of your grain if you are willing to make an appointment to come to my building. The grain must be clean (and I will check it prior to milling).

The flour produced by the Nutrimill is fine and will be 100% rye flour.

I made this offer before in this thread but had no takers. I am posting again because of the renewed interest.

If you are interested, send me a PM (personal message) WITH YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS. We can coordinate from there.

=== PS === My offer also applies to organic hard wheat grain.

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llwhitley

Check with KAF about buying flour from them for commercial use. You will be able to get it in larger quantities than you can as a home user. They will also be able to tell you about their distribution system for commercial users.  There is some information about it on their website, but you can probably get more information if you call them than you can from their website; however if you want a list of products available, I think that is on their website.

Linda

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girathryn

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to update you that that promo code PUM485 now gives you $5 off any order or $10 off orders over $40 if you're a first time buyer on iHerb.com. That's the best place I've found for rye flour that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. In Canada, where I'm from, you can buy good priced rye flour in any regular supermarket, but in NYC and NJ - not so much!

I've also been using iHerb to buy other baking stuff, like flax meal and steel-cut oats... and for way better than Whole Foods prices. :)

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andychrist

I've bought from iHerb too, ordered on a Friday and package was delivered on Monday.  Dunno how they do it — I had two, five-pound bags of rye in there and got free shipping from CA to NY.

Shoprite in Brooklyn supposedly has the same rye (Hodgsin's) on their shelves a couple pennies cheaper, have never bothered biking there to pick up any, iHerb is just so easy. Yeah, no other place in the NY metro area carries rye at all. :(

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Körner

I get 100 lbs organic rye berries from Wholefoods. I can keep them for 2 years. There are no smaller quantities. The spelt berries I get from them are 25 lbs.