YW vs Desem SD - Caramelized Onion, Basil, Bacon, Parmesan Rolls
We have been baking with YW, Combo YW / SD and straight SD lately but have not had the chance to compare identical YW and SD recipes to see how they might compare. We recently made a Joe Ortiz Desem Starter that we really liked so decided to use WW to build each of the starters to the same 90 grams of levain with the same 80% hydration.
We usually want somewhere around 40 % whole grains minimum in our breads with sprouts and seeds, but since these rolls were going to be used for our monthly hamburger dinner we skipped the sprouts and seeds but added fresh chopped basil, caramelized onions, bacon and parmesan cheese instead.
Yeast Water version is first for pictures.
These additions reflected isand66’s (Ian’s) bacon, caramelized onion and cheese bread we rank in our top 5 and his roll bake this week along with breadsong’s roll bake this week that had basil and parmesan cheese in it. We thought combining the 2 would make for a very nice bun for our grilled poblano chili, caramelized onion and mushroom, cheese burger we were planning for dinner.
Since it is summer, we planned on bailing the rolls in the mini oven using (2) of Sylvia’s steaming cups designed for it. We are amazed the varieties of well baked bread that come out of that little oven.
This was no exception. Both rolls were soft and moist inside with the YW being more so but the SD was more open. The crusts came out nice and crusty but were immediately toned down to nice and soft by brushing milk on them immediately – no one wants a hard hamburger bun. The crust on the SD was darker and more blistered and the spring was greater. The SD rolls were baked last when the oven temperature and steam were working better.
Now for the Desem SD pictures
The YW rolls were slightly under baked and the SD ones were slightly over baked even though both were baked the same way and for the same time and temperature exactly. Since only the levain was retarded, the SD tang was muted for the SD rolls and there was no SD tang in the YW as expected.
We liked both of these rolls equally well and have now found our new go to hamburger bun and possible bruschetta bread. We will add 10g each of potato flakes and ground oats with a little garlic and 12g of water to the recipe next time to make it even better. We just forgot them this time by mistake.
The levains were built over (2) 3 hr and (1) 2 hr build before being refrigerated overnight. Home ground whole wheat was used for the levains in keeping with the normal Desem starter feed. We also ground the soft white whole wheat berries.
Each dough was made by hand mixing the levain and non fat milk together first to break up and liquefy the levain, then the flours, butter and oil were added. We added the fat to give the rolls an even more tender and moist crumb. The dough was then hand kneaded for 4 minutes and allowed to rest for 15 minutes in an oiled, plastic covered bowl.
YW is on the right in side shot and on the left in the crumb shot. The spirng better for the SD - quite unexpected.
(4) sets of S & F’s were done on 15 minute intervals with the herb, onion, bacon and parmesan added in on the third set. The dough was then allowed to ferment and develop for 90 minutes.
Each batch made (6) 111 g rolls. After dividing, the rolls were S&F’ed to shape and then rolled under the palms of the hand until the skin was tight and the fold seamed shut. The rolls were then proofed for 2 hours on parchment in a plastic bag.
YW on the left, SD on the right.
The oven was preheated to 500 F and Sylvia’s (2) Pyrex cups, half full of water with a wash cloth in them were heated until boiling in the microwave. The rolls with parchment were placed on the top part only of the mini’s broiler pan with the steaming cups and loaded in the lower rack for 10 minutes of steaming. After 2 minutes the temperature was turned down to 425 F.
Who wants a plain cheeseburger?
When the steam came out at the 10 minute mark, the baking rack was moved to the upper level and the temperature turned down to 375 F convection this time. In 5 minutes the rack was rotated 180 degrees and moved to the lower level for 5 more minutes of baking.
When you can have one of these. Both have grilled poblano peppers, Alpine Lace, Emmenthaler Swiss and brie cheese, caramelized onion and mushrooms. One has lettuce and tomato and one does not. Either makes any architect a proud builder :-) Even Lindy's on 4th in Tucson would have a hard time beating these burgers and no way they can beat the buns!
At 20 minutes the rolls were deemed done and removed to wire cooling racks where they were immediately brushed with milk to soften the crust for hamburger buns.
Brownman's Banana Bread made as a sheet cake For desert.
Formula follows the pictures.
|YW Starter||Build 1||Build 2||Build 3||Total||%|
Or the Desem starter below
|Desem SD, Caramelized Onion, Basil, Bacon, Parmesan Rolls|
|Desem Starter||Build 1||Build 2||Build 3||Total||%|
|SD Desem Starter||10||0||0||10||2.86%|
|Levain % of Total||14.49%|
|Soft White Whole Wheat||50||16.67%|
|Non Fat Milk||195||65.00%|
|Milk and Water||235|
|T. Dough Hydration||67.14%|
|Whole Grain %||42.86%|
|Hydration w/ Adds||68.29%|
|Add - Ins||%|
|Add ins are split between 12 rolls|
|3 Bacon strips|
|4 T Chopped basil|
|6 T Caramelized onion.|
|1/4 C Grated Parmesan|