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Chinese Cheesecake?

dablues's picture
dablues

Chinese Cheesecake?

Does anyone know what type of dessert this is?  I asked someone at the China Star Super Buffet and they say it's cheesecake.  It doesn't taste like any chessecake that I've had before.  The inside is light and airy and I think a hint of lemon is in there but don't know what other ingredients could be there.  The outside is Phyllo.  I've looked all over the internet to find some sort of recipe but haven't found anything that resembles this.  I hope the photos are ok.  I sliced one in half and took a picture to show what the filling is like

 

 

 

Felila's picture
Felila

That looks like rice cake. Several manapua shops here in Honolulu sell varieties of rice cake. The Chinese versions are very different from the Japanese mochi that I sometimes make at home.

dablues's picture
dablues

Thanks so much for the reply.  Will look for a recipe for rice cakes.  I haven't a clue why they call them chessecakes.

Felila's picture
Felila

Rice cakes are usually made from glutinous rice. You can buy that as a kind of rice flour (mochiko), which makes a dense, even-textured sweet.  I have the impression that the Chinese rice cakes aren't made from anything like mochiko, but from glutinous rice that has been boiled and then pounded. I have the impression that this requires special equipment and that it is something done by professional cooks, not at home. BUT I could be wrong. Couldn't find out much about Chinese rice cakes online.

dablues's picture
dablues

for the reply.  I kind of think, but am probably wrong, that these were baked in muffin cups.  Am not sure about the filling how it was made though.  Looks to me with the browning on top that either it was put under a broiler for a bit or torched.  But am probbly wrong on that too.  My husband seems to like the filling a lot.  Light and airy and not really sweet with just a hint of lemon flavor.

dablues's picture
dablues

any recipe that comes close to this. I've tried a couple of recipes using the sticky rice flour but it wasn't anything like the picture above.  I just can't figure out the ingredients.  I know it has to be simple, but I can't think of how to make it.  The inside is very creamy and has a nice taste.  Just can't figure it out.  Will keep on looking.

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

a lemon mochi variant?  I've had mochi that tastes, looks and has the mouth feel of imitation crab :-)  A sort of rice lemon cheesecake is no problem at all.

dablues's picture
dablues

Thanks, I'll have to look on the internet and see if I can find a recipe for Mochi that kind of looks like what I want.  Hopefully, Mochi is it. 

jimrich17's picture
jimrich17

The dough looks more like a double layer of  wonton wrapper or egg roll wrapper than phyllo- which would be much thinner. It is hard from the photo to tell how big the pastry is. If mini-then probably the wonton wrapper. If larger then the springroll. There are lots of recipes for Chinese Egg Custard Tarts. THe shiny brown top is most likely a glaze applied after baking.

Hope this helps. It looks like an idea that should be followed up on.

Jim

dablues's picture
dablues

Possibly it could be a spring roll but I am not sure.  Anyway I just can't seem to find the right recipe for this.  I've saved some recipes that I'll try.  Some mochi, some egg tarts.  This is so annoying since the recipe is probably really simple but if I don't know exactly what's in it, then it won't come out right.  I tried a regular rice cake and it wasn't the right one.  The inside of this dessert is very soft, and creamy, but it doesn't look like a egg tart.  I'll do the couple of recipes I saved and try them and if it's not the right one, will keep on looking, lol!  The glaze part is probably right.  I do know that these need to be eaten warm.  If it's not eaten right away they will shrink down.  I bought a couple extra to show someone and they shrunk down a lot.  Thanks for all the help.

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timshel01

I'm also looking for the ingredients to this fantastic treat. Is the restaurant you mentioned located in Woonsocket RI? The Chinese restaurant I found these egg cake tarts is New China Super Buffet in Woonsocket. I asked about how it's make but everyone's English is very limited.  You described the Egg Cake exactly. For sure it's make with Phyllo Dough Sheets.You mentioned a lemon flavor but I thought there was a very slight taste of mayonnaise.I'm asking around to see if the exact ingredients can be found. I love these treats so much.

dablues's picture
dablues

There is Mayonaisse in the pastry that's all  I could find out from the restaurant, but I really don't think it is phyllo dough but could be wrong.

gerhard's picture
gerhard

Just from looking at the photo it looks like fortune cookie dough, I agree it doesn't look like phyllo pastry as the sheets seem fairly thick.

Gerhard

dablues's picture
dablues

There are two wrappers in the dessert, and each one is thin and crisp.  Not sure if it's a won ton wrapper or not, but I know it isn't phyllo dough.  Don't know if they used won ton wrappers and rolled them out a bit or just put them in the muffin tins and rotated the second one to get points.

 

Egg Tart's picture
Egg Tart

I have been looking for a recipe for these tasty gems too!  I asked at our local Chinese what they were called... Egg tart was as close as language differences could come.  But like the picture, these used wonton for the cup, and the custard is moist, sweet with a citrus tinge.  One time we found what we thought was a wee bit of pineapple.  I don't think it's a rice thing.  It's a baked egg custard.  And yes, probably baked in a cupcake tin.  Whatever they are, they're served warm and delicious!  If anyone finds a recipe, please post!f

dablues's picture
dablues

I never did find a recipe, and the Chinese buffet where I go to call them cheesecake.  I've looked forever and cannot come up with anything.  I did make a Japanese Cotton Cheesecake to see what that was like, and it was about the closest I could come to what I am looking for.  I'm going to try the Japanese Cotton Cheesecake again in the near future but am going to tweak the recipe since the consistency wasn't quite the same as the pastry I got at the Chinese buffet. 

dablues's picture
dablues

I never did find a recipe, and the Chinese buffet where I go to call them cheesecake.  I've looked forever and cannot come up with anything.  I did make a Japanese Cotton Cheesecake to see what that was like, and it was about the closest I could come to what I am looking for.  I'm going to try the Japanese Cotton Cheesecake again in the near future but am going to tweak the recipe since the consistency wasn't quite the same as the pastry I got at the Chinese buffet.  One other thing, I asked a waitress the other day what they used for the wrapper.  I wasn't sure if it was a won ton or not.  She said spring roll wrapper, so I'm not sure but I'm going to try to use one of those.

Slhawk1981's picture
Slhawk1981

After digging.. bc I too loves these.. I believe it might be chinese egg CAKE baked in springroll wrappers.. google chinese egg cake.. there's a recipe.. 

dablues's picture
dablues

I will check it out and see if I can find the recipe and if it is the one I'm looking for.  I have been looking for the proper recipe since I first posted this question and as of this date haven't found what I was looking for.  Hopefully, this will be the day it will work out.  If not, then will forge on.

Egg Tart's picture
Egg Tart

I probably should have re-thought choosing my handle.  It really sounds like I'm an extra big fan of eggs..... 8-)

Anyway, the sweet that I'm looking for is the exact one that is pictured above.  Very custardy, but spongy and light as well, with those little holes all through.  The top gets slightly sticky, with the sugar baking out.  The little custard egg tarts I see online are a bright yellow, as if they're made from just the yoke.  But these are a pale yellow.  Really, the only picture I can come up with online that looks exactly like what I'm searching for, is the original one from dablues.  8-)  I will also say that these would not be sold in a shop, pre packaged in any way.  They're made fresh and served warm.  I'm getting so hungry......

dablues's picture
dablues

I have looked for egg cakes like what was posted here.  Still am not sure egg cakes is the right thing.  I downloaded a couple recipes for egg cakes, baked and steamed but don't know if it's what I'm looking for.  I've spent a few years trying to find out what the recipe is.  The china buffet calls it cheesecake but it doesn't taste like cheesecake.  I make cheesecake so I know the difference.  Also I think they buy them, and then bake them, since I see they take them out of the oven.  Wish I could find the exact recipe.  Yes, it is custardy and spongy with little holes throughout.  I just love them so much.  I tried a few recipes a few years back but they did not compare to the ones at the china star buffet and they won't tell me where they get them from.

 

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Tammy Perry

I have had these at our local buffet and the minute I tasted it I knew it was the same flavor and texture as what my dad called egg pie. I have never been able to find his recipe to make for myself. Until finding them at the local buffet I had not had anything other than pie custards. They use mayo instead of butter for fat in the recipe though; I guess to save money. I have never been able to find anything but custard recipes and I know my dad did not use any milk in his pie. I dont think the buffet uses any milk either. I would love to find someone who has just an egg pie recipe NOT an egg custard recipe.

dablues's picture
dablues

I tried getting the recipe a long time ago from China Star Buffet.  All I could get, was egg, milk, mayo, flour.  No amounts, etc.  Tried figuring it out but it didn't come out right at all.  This is so frustrating since I love the pastry so much.  As a matter of fact had one today at China Star Buffet.  I have searched off and on since I first posted my request.  That was a long time ago, and looked through so many recipes made me dizzy.  Nothing comes close to the picture above.  Was surprised I got any info from them.  A waitress asked someone in the kitchen and came back with a piece of paper stating, eggs, milk, flour, mayo.  That was it.  Also, is it won ton wrappers they use for holding the filling?  I know it's not puff pastry, and wonder is it steamed first then put in the shell and baked to brown it?  The filling is so light and airy and very moist.  If you ever find the recipe please let me know. 

dablues's picture
dablues

It's not Egg Pie either.  I about give up.  The only other thing I can say to see if anyone can figure out what this is, is that the filling is very, moist.  I'm at a loss since I am sure the ingredients are simple but if you don't have the right ingredients, and the right technique nothing will work.

Sparklerox's picture
Sparklerox

Are you in New England? I suspect this is the New England version of a traditional egg tart:  much fluffier and in a wonton wrapper instead of flaky pastry. I've seen it called egg tart or cheese tart here in Massachusetts. Maybe it's made with whipped egg whites, since it is so much fluffier than a traditional egg tart. Once in a while I'll detect a hint of pineapple in one.

Here's a picture I took of one back when I started searching for this recipe myself. Very soft and moist, but with a texture that's creamy but kinda crumbly. I'm almost 100% sure it's baked in a wonton wrapper in a muffin tin.

dablues's picture
dablues

That does look similar but the inside appears more dense. No I'm in Georgia.  Born & raised in New York State, but my grandparents were from MA, and I spent a lot of time in MA.  I'm sure it's baked in a Muffin Tin, but no matter what recipe I try or look for it isn't the same.  This is so frustrating. 

Egg Tart's picture
Egg Tart

Hi, that looks very much like the ones we're talking about.  And the hint of pineapple is a trait that some of us have noted.  I don't think it's a New England thing, since we're in Ohio.  Yours looks a bit drier than ours, maybe.

Most of the egg tarts that you can see on Google are in thick pastry cups, and the filling looks nothing like this.  If you Google for Egg Tart, you'll see thousands of the pastry ones, with very yellow filling and no caramelization.  Just not the same thing.

The caramelization is important - the fine bubble structure is another. They're also the taste of the pineapple, and these are more sweet than a normal egg custard.  And they're almost buttery.....

I really don't think the bubbles come from whipping - if that were the case, the bubbles would rise to the top, and the top of the tart would be frothy, and the bottom would have no bubbles.  These have well-distributed airy bubbles.  I think there's some leavening agent being used.

At first, I called them egg custards, but our Chinese place has both - normal egg custard, served cold, and the texture is nothing like these....and they're served warm.

 

 

Sparklerox's picture
Sparklerox

Yes, I know what the Google results look like. Other egg dishes such as souffle and custards use whipped egg whites and don't have the layers you're talking about. The texture of these egg tarts look VERY much like an egg souffle. I'll probably start experimenting with a recipe like this one and use elements of traditional egg tarts.

https://princesspinkygirl.com/egg-cheese-souffle/2/

dablues's picture
dablues

The one you see in the original post doesn't have any hint of pineapple in it at all.  I love pineapple so I would have noticed.  I bought one to take home years back and was going to bring it to a Chinese store, which I did, to see if the woman who owned the store knew what it was.  She didn't!  Plus, I always wondered why they only put a few out at a time, because they deflate.  By the time I got to the Store which was the next day, if I remember correctly the filling was almost gone, since it deflated so much.  So evidently when making these, they need to be eaten that day.  I know they Chinese Buffet where we go bakes them in the oven, and I think they might get them frozen, or fresh delivered and they either need to bake them or warm them up.  Not sure.  You can see some of the kitchen and I saw them removing those from the oven.  I'm going to try and make steamed rice cake, and them carmelize them, but I doubt very much that's what it is.  The only reason why I'm going to steam them is I've seen a few videos and most of them show them steaming the rice cakes but never carmelization, and never in a wrapper.  Will continue looking.  Thanks for replying.

dablues's picture
dablues

I don't think they are coconut tarts.  Definitely not egg tarts.  I did see a video of a girl making rice cakes that she colored with food coloring.  The inside from what I could tell looked similar.  She does add coconut milk, and coconut flour.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzOOlXw3Y4I  I don't this is it so I'll keep on looking.

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Yippee
dablues's picture
dablues

Thanks but it's not those.  I saw these before.  Guess I'll never get the recipe or anything close to it.  Thanks for helping me out.

Yippee's picture
Yippee

and disappointed - as if this is a dessert I'm trying to make...

kellyon's picture
kellyon

agree with Felila that it looks like rice cake. Thanks for the great idea, want to test my new oven that I found at https://www.choice.co.nz/category/920/equipment/convection-ovens. Prefer to use only professional equipment at my kitchen. Found one great recipe of Rice Cooker Cheesecake here.

 

 

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Mini Oven

:)

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

with home made lemon spring roll wrappers in a small spring form pan and call it Mini Yippee Delights :-)

Mini Oven's picture
Mini Oven

why stop there?   tack on ... of Dablues

dablues's picture
dablues

I will check out Tapioca Cake, and the links listed.  I am so frazzled over this since I know it is a recipe that should be easy, but if you don't have the right ingredients it won't come out the same.  Again, I asked what the dessert was called.  They said Cheesecake when I first asked a few years ago, but decided with new help to ask again.  The girl didn't understand what I wanted so she got the owner to come over.  So, I asked him.  His answer was it's too complicated to tell you and as for the dough part he said you can't get it in the USA.  Didn't make sense to me since he has the desserts there.  I asked him if it was like rice paper he said yes, but am not sure if that is right.  So will forge on, and follow the links and see if that is what I'm looking for.  Thanks to all who is trying to help me find the proper recipe to make this luscious dessert, lol!  I'm sure it's easy once I get the right ingredients.  Tapicoa cake and rice cake sounds interesting so definitely will check it out.  I know it is not a custard and extremely moist and light, and not very sweet.

Egg Tart's picture
Egg Tart

Thanks for sending the links, Yippee.  I couldn't open some of them, but thanks for looking so hard.

But....there's no coconut at all.....and while there is a trace of something citrus and many people say it's pineapple, it is not pineapple like in the link. No chunks of fruit, like those.   One time I found the tiniest piece of what seemed to be a bit of pineapple. But otherwise, no chunks of anything.

Isn't it funny that we've gathered together in search of this small, elusive treat?  If I could, I would mail one to each of you!!

Wyndrake's picture
Wyndrake

I live in NY state and most China buffets have something similar.  Egg custard baked in edible rice paper.  They put a piece of pineapple in the middle sometimes.  They are moist and delicious.  The buffet labels them egg custard. 

dablues's picture
dablues

Would you have a picture?  The ones down here isn't a custard filling.  I'll look up egg custard but don't think that's going to show what I want. The elusive dessert.  I can't stand it.  I'm sure the recipe is simple but if you don't have the right ingredients, and how they bake it, it won't come out right

Phigment's picture
Phigment

I live in Tulsa and we used to have a Chinese buffet that had these exact same tarts. I tried for a long time to find the recipe and never had any success.  I'll for following this thread going forward.  If I find anything I'll post it.

dablues's picture
dablues

Thanks if you can find the recipe I'll be doing a Happy Dance!  Been looking for the recipe since 2012, and all suggestions of what it is, still haven't found the proper recipe.  Please post if you do.  

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Tink'sWings

I came across this delicious item at a Chinese restaurant in Sedalia, MO and just like everyone else I can't find the recipe.  My thought was that it is close to the German Pancake but with sugar added and more flour.  May have to test those thoughts out.  If I do,  I'll post my findings.

dablues's picture
dablues

Please post if you decide to try and make the product to see if it is the same thing.