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Trying one more time

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ancient11

Trying one more time

 

About six months ago I ordered a Zo – 20 bread machine, along with the bread machine I ordered six premix packets. I eagerly baked my first loaf and it came out tough and with almost a burned crust. Not one of these loaves was fit to eat – heartbreak – smile. I just walked away. Yesterday I made up my mind that I was going to whip this thing. All of the packets was for one pound loaf's – and yes I did set my machine to medium on the second loaf, then lite crust over all the others. I think that if they had been 2lbs loaf's they would have come out better. So my first business is to get my recipes up to the 2lb loaf measurements.

 

My cooking ability is to the fact that I will burn boiling water, in other words I have to learn. The first recipe I am going to try doesn't show how large ol a loaf it will make.

 

1 cup of warm water

 

2 tablespoons of white sugar

 

2 1/4 teaspoon of bread machine yeast

 

1/4 cup of vegetable oil

 

2 cups of bread flour

 

1 teaspoon of salt

 

I need to know about what size of loaf this will make and any recommendation's toward making this to the proper proportions to my machine would be greatly appreciated.

 

I plan on getting a scale next month, so I can get more accurate measurements.

 

Thank you very much

 

ancient

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jcking

Wasn't a instruction/recipe book included with the ZO?

Basic White Bread;

Water = 1-1/3 cups (320 g), Bread Flour (don't use King Arthur, it's too strong) = 4-1/4 cups (544g), 3 Tbsp (35g) Sugar, 2 Tbsp (8g) Dry Milk, 1-1/2 Tsp (9g) Salt, 2 Tbsp (28g) Butter, 2 tsp (6g) Rapid Rise (Instant) yeast.

Other recipies @ the ZO website.

Jim

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ancient11

Yes a manual came with the machine and I have been searching for the past few days for this manual. We have recently had to rearrange our home because of grandkids moving in. There are a lot of things we are now having to search for that we would normally know exactly where it was.

I wish to thank you for the swift reply and I will assure you it will be my second try.

Thank you very much

ancient

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I am sad to say Opera and this website does not get along. I am going to have to use Internet Explorer and that breaks my heart.

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Floydm

Why not Firefox or Chrome?  More people visit the site with one of them (or Safari) than IE and it works well. 

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ancient11

Firefox was my brouser of choice for years but with each upgrade it used more resources, so I switched to Opera, but nothing is perfect. I have found 3 sites you cant copy and paste at (this being one). This is not the sites fault but is an Opera problem, which makes it mine, I am sad to say. But it is a small price to pay.

 

Chrome runs home to mama and tells all, after all that is why they built it. I will let someone else use that-thank you any way.  My personal business is not googles buisness.

I will go to Zo's site and download the manual annd when J.C. hooks up my wireless printer I will print it out-that is if I have not found mine by then.

I am sorry to have troubled you and will not do so again

ancient 

 

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Chuck

If you can't locate your copy of the manual, it's very easy to get another one online. The typical procedure works in this case too: go to the manufacturer's (zojirushi) website and choose the "Support" area of the website (in this case drop down the "Support" menu), look for something about manuals or documents or guides (in this case "Instruction Manuals"), then if necessary select the product type (in this case"Bread Machines") and your model. Once you've downloaded the manual, you can if you wish print your own hardcopy using your own printer. Only a few years ago a piece of equipment without the manual was usually called a "boat anchor"  ...but no longer; there's no excuse these days for trying to use a product without the manual.

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Chuck

  ... making this to the proper proportions to my machine ...

My suggestion would be to get the simplest recipe of the right size you can find in the accompanying instruction booklet, note how much flour it uses, then scale this recipe up or down to reach that same amount of flour. Every bread machine and every recipe is a little different, so this probably won't turn out exactly right the very first time, so write down what you did then further scale the scaled recipe up or down (another 5-10% ?) as necessary the second time.

(Just in case it's helpful though, here's my response to a question you didn't ask: my personal thought is for somebody like me who when told to "boil water" asked "what temperature?", it would work better to use the recipes in the instruction booklet rather than trying to scale a recipe from somewhere else that may not even be appropriate for bread machines. [Good bread machine recipes are usually significantly different from non-bread-machine recipes, especially the yeast level and also possibly the hydration level.])

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I thought I would come back and post a follow up on what has happened with my experimentation. First let me apologize for my frustration but it had been a bad week, and while that is no excuse, it is at least a reason.

 

I found an elderly lady that stayed with me through several loaves and now I am turning out perfect loaves ,they would make the  Sunbeam bread company jealous. She first convinced me that 1 1/2lb loaves was the perfect size that I wanted to make. Then she had me to forget the manual. She had me to add the water, sugar and yeast – then letting it set for 10 min., then adding my dry ingredients – oh yes, don't forget the vinegar.

 

She advised me to get a good scale (already on back order) then experiment – always writing down the things that I changed. She also advised me to learn how to program the Zo – which is my next project. I want to lower the cook time 10 min. and turn off the keep – warm portion.

 

Thank you very much for trying to help me

 

ancient