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leucadian's picture
leucadian

Selectively turn off all but 'New' posts?

It would be handy to have a switch that would suppress all but the subject, date, and poster for posts that have already been read. You already keep track of this with the 'New' marker, but suppressing the body of the previously seen post would make it easier to find the new ones. The switch is important to be able to read the post in context, if needed.


Also, on the subject of 'New', it appears that if I look for posts on the second page of a thread, all the posts are marked as not-new, so the functionality is lost except for the first page.


I hope these suggestions aren't too difficult to implement, and perhaps you already are working on them.


 

dstroy's picture
dstroy

thanks for the suggestion.


You may be able to accomplish *some* of that with existing viewing options, choosing to show newest to oldest or "in the order they were made"  and you can get some of that by choosing the "collapsed" options rather than expanded version under "Comment viewing options". It would be nice if it pointed out exactly which of the comments are new though, particularly on the big long thread posts - I don't think the code base we have to work with right now does this.


We've got a lot on our plates in the next couple of weeks so all major redesign and User Interface work will likely be put on a backburner until (hopefully) later this summer when we would like to do a site refresh, but we'll keep an eye out for code modules that may exist that can be dropped in to accomplish this - just not sure how much time we'll have for searching this out right now.


(For the moment, the main focus is just security and performance maintenance until the schedule allows for more time.)

leucadian's picture
leucadian

I recognize this should be a low priority item, but it would be nice to have (especially the 2nd page problem).


If you want to see an example of the abbreviated post feature, look at www.chowhound.com They do a nice job of it, but I'm sure you get the gist of the feature without an example.


My hat's off to you both for creating and maintaining an informative and welcoming site. Go ahead, have another one of Norm's Krakow bagels. Please, do.


Stewart

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dstroy

haha - yeah, but that's a "CBS Interactive" website - they actually have a full paid staff whose day-job is to write all the code for their websites ;) Pretty sure that Moneywatch and CNet and Gamespot etc have some good staff to put to the task.


Still...duley noted. We'll see if we find anything to enable this. If anyone has drupal modules written that would enable this, drop Floyd a line ;)

leucadian's picture
leucadian

Really I am. I do indeed lose all 'New' markers when I try to read a multi-page thread. It's impossible to follow a thread like dmsnyders recent post on Norm's Breads. Even when I see a 'recent' post in the home page, and I click on the post, it takes me to the top of the page with David's original post and no indication as to what is the most recent addition. Do you think there could be something on my end that could possibly cause this? I'm running IE8, with TFL expanded threaded options set. It's really quite frustrating.


As to Chowhound, it was quite good long before they sold to CBS, but I think they did have at least some full time paid staff from early on. I think the navigation tools (quick in and out) are more important than any formatting tools, if that's any help.


Thanks for building a site and a community that is supportive and informative. My complaints are made in the spirit of constructive criticism from a TFL advocate.

leucadian's picture
leucadian

I hope you can help me figure out why the links on the home page don't always work. Here are two cases that behave differently. I am running IE8, and now that I have turned on Error reporting, I see that many but not all pages from TFL show the message 'Error on Page', and fail to take me to the right comment in a thread. I hope that by having a page that works and a page that fails you'll be able to find the problem.


Thanks,
Stewart


This works. It jumps to the comment that I clicked on, and displays the middle of the thread, on a recent page of the thread:
http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/18619/nybakersnorm039s-book-recipe-tests-continuation-1#comment-125680


This doesn't. Instead of jumping to the comment, it jumps to the original thread entry, top of page 1, ignoring the comment parameter:
http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/18112/nybakersnorm039s-book-recipe-tests#comment-125677



Webpage error details


User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; Trident/4.0; GTB6.5; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.5.21022; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET4.0C)
Timestamp: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:20:32 UTC



Message: 'undefined' is null or not an object
Line: 1
Char: 107857
Code: 0
URI: http://www.thefreshloaf.com/sites/all/modules/tinytinymce/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/tiny_mce.js?R

Dillbert's picture
Dillbert

I gave up all attempts at keeping up with which browser supports which functions of which html version is Microsoft's current mess du'jour.


but for example, using FireFox
[latest? Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6 ] clicking on:


http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/18619/nybakersnorm039s-book-recipe-tests-continuation-1#comment-125680


takes me to:
Submitted by alabubba on July 18, 2010 - 6:10pm.


whereas clicking on:
http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/18112/nybakersnorm039s-book-recipe-tests#comment-125677


takes me to the top of the thread:
Submitted by dmsnyder on May 29, 2010 - 4:15pm


your browser may vary [ g ] - which is why I dumped IE - for all their horn blowing it's usually way behind it's own specifications.


 

leucadian's picture
leucadian

The behavior you cite for comment-123477 is exactly the same thing that I'm complaining about (politely, I hope). That would indicate it's not my browser (IE) or yours (FF).  MS can still be behind this, but maybe not at the browser level.

Dillbert's picture
Dillbert

I reckon I misunderstood.  I thought clicking on a link for msg threadtop+X took you only to the top of thread vs the msg threadtop+X specified in the link.

I rarely use the Home Page links - just looked - on the left is recent posts, on the right is lastest comments.  and there's a bunch more I didn't delve into.

links in Recent Posts seem directed to the top of thread
links in Latest Comments seem directed to reply msgs

on my end, the links go where they say they're going - to the msg number specified - but note in Latest Comments there one link the the latest comment and following the "in reply to" is a link the the top of thread for that reply.

leucadian's picture
leucadian

In trying to follow a long thread like Norm's recipes, which is spread over several pages, with each page containing many posts and many photos, I'd like to be able to just read the new additions, either by clicking on a 'Recent Post' link on the right side of the home page'to read that post/comment, or by going directly to the thread and only reading the posts that are marked 'New'. That's what I'd like to do, and both strategies seem to work, but only sometimes. As you discovered, clicking on the original post in the left column of the home page sometimes takes you to the post that started the thread, i.e. the top of the thread, even if the comment you're interested in is on a later page in a multi-page thread.


It seems that when I read a multi-page thread, all the 'New' markers are cleared as if it didn't recognize my login, or it lost my history. It seems to be ok if it's a single page thread. My original post in this thread was to request a way to suppress the 'not-New' posts, the ones I've already read, so I could easily see the new posts. I know that's an enhancement, but it appears that even the existing functionality is spotty.


The other function that seems not to work consistently is the ability to direct the browser to a post/comment from the 'Recent Posts' column on the home page, even in a multi-page thread. The two entries that I mentioned above, and that Dillbert tested, illustrate this problem.


I'd just like to hear that these two problems are acknowledged and on a bug-list somewhere. 


Happy baking, Stewart

Dillbert's picture
Dillbert

don't really think it's a bug.  you are taken to the post/thread as specified in the link.

that may or may not be where you want to go, but the software is working as designed; whether the design is what you want is a different question [g]

my bookmark takes me to
http://www.thefreshloaf.com/forum

from there I click on "Recent Posts"

that produces a list of posts in reverse chronological order.
in the Replies column there are two numbers - the count of replies and if there are msgs I have not read in the thread, there is the notation "x new" underneath.

if I click on the brown "x new" link it takes me to the start of the unread msgs.
exception:  if the whole thread is new and for example it shows 5 Replies and 5 new, clicking on the 5 new link takes me to the second msg, not the original post - a definite quirk.

if you click on the thread title in the Post column that takes you to the top of the thread and - see below - similtaneously marks all msgs in the thread read.

so one part of the "disappearing new" issue may be: you've looked at a thread but not read every msg in the thread but all msgs are marked as read, hence the 'x new' notation disappears from you "Recent Posts' listing where no new msgs/replies have been posted.

I can confirm:

once you click a link to a thread, the software assumes you read every msg in the thread, regardless of count, and "x new" disappears.  it does not make any difference how you got to the thread - i.e. which link you follow - if you call up any msg in any thread all msgs posted as of that instant are considered read.

on the Home page, every link I see in the thread title of Recent Forum Posts takes you to the top of the thread, by design and intent.

on the Home page, all the msgs titles under Latest Comments in the Forums lead to the indicated reply - with indeed the exception of the two "Continuation #1" listings.

and those are quirky because there are two lines "Continuation #1"
the "Continuation #1" link goes to the top of the thread, but the link for the line(s) below
"Interestng thought..." goes to the reply as does the "Well, there you go!" link.

so yes there is something quirky about the "Continuation #1" listings - it's the only one that has "double entries" in that column - and in the "More Recent Comments..." pages following.

the process for posting the links in either category is in all probability automated, so what logic is used to put which topics on the left and which replies on the right is not known except to the management, one supposes.

one thing I do note, the quirky "Continuation #1" may have been broken off from the original thread - and that could be the glitch as to why it has thread title + reply title.  stab in the dark.

leucadian's picture
leucadian

Till I can read a multi-page thread by clicking on the link on the homepage, I count it as a bug. But thanks for your detailed response anyway.