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This has been my third attempt at baking this ciabatta. but I kinda made mistake every single time. Its really freaky when it comes to a wet dough like this. I have 2 issues that keep coming for the last three bakes, they are:

1) After overnight Bulk Fermentation, the dough sticks to the side of an oiled lock n lock plastic container. When I invert it out, it RIPPED in half. I suppose most of the big bubble disappear with this accident. Any suggestions on over coming this problem?

2) I divided the dough on a well oiled wooden board and putting it on a floured parchment paper for second proof. When its ready for the oven, I flipped the dough its sort of sweaty, not sure if its the oil or sweat from the dough. Any suggestion on flipping the dough and prevent it from sweating? 

Heres the Latest Bake 

From the Second Bake First Bake

As we can see from the pictures All of them are lack of Super big holes that gives this bread the super high crust to crumb ratio. 

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My planned bake was

1) Sourdough Ciabatta from TxFarmer Formula which I wanna try to improve the crumb. (Now I think I have issue with an ungreased container, when I flip my dough out after bulk fermentation it sticks. Will remember to grease all my containers next time before it hits the fridge. 

This morning I have it toasted spread with Foie Gras Pate served with Tomato (Unfortunately forgot to take a pic of my sandwich)

2) Wheat Rye 20 from Tartine No3 with Mxed Seeds, which didnt turn out very well as it spread before it hits the oven (crumb shot n details is written in my other post)  

This is served as toast with Flax oil and cottage cheese spread

3) Pain Au Levain (corn Flour) adopted from BREAD This is a salvage bake just in case my second bake is used to feed my bin. The formula I used is below

Original Formula        
Pain Au Levain (Corn Flour)        
SourceBread       
         
Total Weight1717       
Serving1       
Weight per Serving1717       
         
Total Flour 905      
Total Water 705      
Total Hydration 77.90%      
Multi-grain % 26.52%      
Total Levain 210      
         
 Build 1Build 2Build 3SoakerFinal DoughAdd-InTotal 
Levain        
White Starter (100%)10     10 
Wholewheat Starter      0 
Rye Starter      0 
Yeast Water Levain (100%)      0 
 10     10 
Flour      0 
Extra-High Protein Flour (>14%)      0 
Bread Flour 60  600 660 
AP Flour      0 
  60006000660 
Wholemeal Flour      0 
Wholewheat Flour    170 170 
Rye Flour 40  0 40 
Corn Flour    30 30 
 040002000240 
Liquid        
Water 100  600 700 
Milk      0 
       0 
       0 
       0 
       0 
       0 
 0100006000700 
Others      0 
Yeast      0 
Salt    17 17 
Cinnamon (2 Tbs)      0 
       0 
       0 
 000017017 
ADD-IN      0 
Wheat Germ (toasted)     7070 
Semolina (Toasted)     3030 
Sunflower Seeds      0 
Oats      0 
 00000100100 
         
         
Direction        
Autolyse Flour with Water60 Min       
Add Salt, Add in and Levain, Mixed with pincer method        
- S&F 3 times @ 30, 60, 90min interval        
- Total Bulk Fermentation @ 25C4h 0m       
Second Proof2:30       
Bake - Cover20       
Bake -Uncover30       
Its done when its internal Temp hits 210F        
         

The last one is still un-cut sitting at home waiting. Will update this with a crumb shot tonight. 

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Original Formula     
Wholewheat and Rye Levain     
SourceTartine    
      
Total Weight1985    
Serving1    
Weight per Serving1985    
      
Total Flour 1075   
Total Water 925   
Total Hydration 86.05%   
Multi-grain % 65.12%   
      
      
 Build 1Build 2Final DoughAdd-InTotal
Levain     
White Starter (100%)75   75
Wholewheat Starter75   75
Rye Starter    0
Yeast Water Levain (100%)    0
     150
Flour     
Extra-High Protein Flour (>14%)    0
Bread Flour    0
AP Flour  300 300
 15003000300
Wholemeal Flour     
Wholewheat Flour  100 100
Rye Flour  200 200
High-Extraction Wheat Flour  400 400
 007000700
Liquid     
Water  850 850
     0
     0
 008500850
Others    0
Yeast    0
Salt  25 25
     0
     0
     0
 0025025
ADD-IN     
Wheat Gem  70 70
Caraway Seeds   2020
Corriander Seeds   2020
 00700110
      
      
Direction     
Autolyse all ingridient
 (except Salt & Seeds)
60 Min    
Add Salt Mixed with Pincer Method     
S&F 4 Times @ 30min interval     
Total Bulk Fermentation4h 0m    
- Refridgerate /16:00    
Bake - Cover20-25    
Bake -Uncover25    

Since high extraction wheat flour isnt available, I have used sifted wholemeal flour instead. It supposes to be a overnight retardation, but it ended up in the fridge for 16+ hours. When it came out of the fridge it looked like fully proof. But I slash it anyway. It didnt give me a sky rocket oven spring. But its crumb is still acceptable but not as open as I have hoped. 

 

 

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This is my first attempt at ciabatta. Handling a wet dough like this is pretty disastrous when I wrongly deviate from the instruction. As I thought if I would eventually move the dough on to parchment paper, I dumped the  dough onto parchment paper right after bulk fermentation. This turns out to be a disaster, it stuck to the paper, I couldnt shape it nor moved it. Next time Im gonna oil the paper or shape it on bench. 

Even though it is far from perfect, but it still taste really good. Very moist n light with crispy crust. I would definitely return to this next week.

Total Weight535      
Serving1      
Weight per Serving535      
        
Total Flour 280     
Total Water 240     
Total Hydration 85.71%     
Multi-grain % 8.93%     
        
        
 Build 1Build 2Build 3SoakerFinal DoughAdd-InTotal
Levain       
White Starter (100%)200     200
Wholewheat Starter      0
Rye Starter      0
Yeast Water Levain (100%)      0
       200
Flour      0
Extra-High Protein Flour (>14%)      0
French Bread Flour    155 155
AP Flour      0
  0001550155
Wholemeal Flour      0
Wholewheat Flour    25 25
Rye Flour      0
       0
 000025025
Liquid       
Iced Cold Water    140 140
Milk      0
Dark Ale      0
Yeast Water      0
       0
       0
       0
 00001400140
Others      0
Yeast      0
Salt    6 6
Honey      0
Olive Oil    9 9
       0
 000015015
ADD-IN      0
raisins      0
       0
       0
       0
 0000000
        
        
Direction       
Mixed All ingridient except Salt       
Refridgerate the dough for 2-4 hours       
Add Salt       
S&F (4 time @ 30mins Interval)       
Cold Bulk Fermentation15 hours      
Bring it back to room temp and continue to ferment till its double in size (3 hours @ 22C)       
Stretch it out a bit n continue with second proof       
Second proof 1hour @ 23C       
Bake with steam for 10 Mins Without Steam 20 Mins       

 

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Lately I have been seeing many post on Tangzhong in softening the crumb n giving it a better spring. I decided to have a go my self. I have slightly modified the formulae from our TFLer Janet. 

 Build 1YW LevainBuild 2RouxSoakerFinal DoughTotal
Levain       
White Starter (100%)20     20
Wholewheat Starter      0
Rye Starter      0
Yeast Water Levain (100%)      0
       20
Flour      0
Extra-High Protein Flour (>14%)      0
Bread Flour      0
AP Flour      0
  000000
Wholemeal Flour      0
Wholewheat Flour  5015030770 1000
       0
       0
 0501503077001000
Liquid       
Water      0
Milk   150425 575
Dark Ale      0
Yeast Water 50100   150
       0
       0
       0
 0501001504250725
Others      0
Yeast     22
Salt    81523
Honey     100100
olive oil     4040
Malt     1010
Egg     100100
 00008267275
ADD-IN      0
Sesame     135135
sesame oil     1414
       0
       0
 00000149149

First I refreshed my starter and built the YW levain the night before I planned to bake. I then combine the starter, YW levain and Built 3 into a levain for this dough.

In the morning I pre-soaked the wholewheat flour with a pinch of salt n sit for 12 hours while im at work.

Mixed the levain, soaker, and all of the add-ins to form a dough. Let it rest for 30 mins.

During the 5 hours fermentation I did 6 S&F, as the gluten in WW flour isnt very strong.

A Pic when its shaped n ready for basket n loaf pan

8 Hours Retardation and 2.5 hours warming up on the bench. 

Looks like its ready for the oven. When I put it in the dutch oven i dropped it so part of the loaf is squashed. 

I baked it at 240 covered for 25min uncovered for 25min.

Crumb shot from the boule and loaf

Crumb is soft with strong taste of Sesame n a hint of sweetness from honey. this makes a really good healthy sandwich bread. Next time Im gonna cut down on water and do more intensive kneading to see if the crumb can be shredibly soft 

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After reading Khalid post on Miche, it really itches me to bake on myself. I didnt use SFBI formula, instead I followed Jeffrey Hamelman -  multi-flour miche to create this beautiful monster.

 

Mixed Flour Miche       
SourceBread      
        
Total Weight1847      
Serving1      
Weight per Serving1847      
        
Total Flour 1023     
Total Water 846     
Total Hydration 82.70%     
Multi-grain % 78.49%     
        
        
 Build 1Build 2Build 3SoakerFinal DoughAdd-InTotal
Levain       
White Starter (100%)40     40
Wholewheat Starter      0
Rye Starter      0
Yeast Water Levain (100%)      0
       40
Flour      0
Extra-High Protein Flour (>14%)      0
Bread Flour    200 200
AP Flour      0
  0002000200
Wholemeal Flour      0
Wholewheat Flour103   500 603
Rye Flour100   100 200
       0
 2030006000803
Liquid       
Water136   690 826
Milk      0
       0
Yeast Water      0
       0
       0
       0
 1360006900826
Others      0
Yeast      0
Salt    18 18
Honey      0
Shortening/vegetable oil      0
       0
 000018018
ADD-IN      0
raisins      0
       0
       0
       0
 0000000
        
        
Direction       
- Autolyse all ingridient (except Salt, Levain and 30G water withheld from first mix )4h 0m      
- Add the rest and Mixed with Pincer Method       
- S&F 3 Times @ 30min interval       
- Total Bulk Fermentation (dough Temp 69 F)3h 0m      
Second Proof (78F)1h 50m      
Dutch oven bake (covered)0h 25m      
Dutch oven bake (uncovered)0h 30m      

Before Second Proof

Second proof completed

My pot was a little squashie for my miche. part of it was compressed a bit during the bake.

When it fresh from the oven

Crumb Shot take on the third day, its still moist and soft. It definitely has a very good keeping quality. Im gonna bake it a little longer next time, I think I didnt bake it thorough completely in the oven. It kind of cook itself thu.

 

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Total Weight990      
Serving14      
Weight per Serving70.714286      
        
Total Flour 730     
Total Water 470     
Total Hydration 64.38%     
Multi-grain % 0.00%     
        
        
 Build 1Build 2Build 3SoakerFinal DoughAdd-InTotal
Levain       
White Starter (100%)              -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
Wholewheat Starter              -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
Rye Starter              -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
Yeast Water Levain (100%)       260.00         -           -           -                -             -    260.00
                                                                                                 260.00         -           -           -                -             -    260.00
Flour       
Extra-High Protein Flour (>14%)              -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
Bread Flour              -           -           -           -        600.00           -    600.00
AP Flour              -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
                                                                                                         -            -           -           -        600.00           -    600.00
Wholemeal Flour       
Wholewheat Flour              -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
Rye Flour              -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
                                                                                                         -                -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
                                                                                                         -                -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
Liquid       
Water              -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
Milk              -           -           -           -        340.00           -    340.00
                                                                                                         -                -           -           -           -              -           -  
Yeast Water              -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
                                                                                                         -                -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
                                                                                                         -                -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
                                                                                                         -                -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
                                                                                                         -                -           -           -           -        340.00           -    340.00
Others               -  
Yeast              -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
Salt              -           -           -           -          10.00           -      10.00
Honey              -           -           -           -          16.00           -      16.00
Shortening/vegetable oil              -           -           -           -          24.00           -      24.00
                                                                                                         -                -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
                                                                                                         -                -           -           -           -          50.00           -      50.00
ADD-IN               -  
raisins              -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
        
        
        
                                                                                                         -                -           -           -           -                -             -           -  
        
        
Direction              -        
- Autolyse all ingridient (except Salt & Oil)60 Min      
- Add Salt, Oil  Mixed with Pincer Method              -        
- S&F 1 Times @ 30min interval              -        
- Total Bulk Fermentation60 Min      
Second Proof4 Hr 30 Min      
Loaf (350F)45Min      
English MuffinsGriddle Fry 15Min      
                                                                                                         -                -        
                                                                                                         -                -        

This is based on Teketeke Formula

But I sub Water instead of Milk and used Pincer Mixing method instead of Slap n Fold the dough.

Bulk fermentation only last for 1 hour with one S&F. Then I divided it into 4 little muffins and one loaf pan. 

 

Untitled Crumb Shot when cut with knife Yw English muffins crumb shotI

This is nice and chewy and the texture is quite different from using baking soda. Next time im gonna do a English Muffins in 3 different way so I can get a better pic of their difference.

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Hybrid YW Five-Grain Bread        
SourceBread      
        
Total Weight884.5      
Serving1      
Weight per Serving884.5      
        
Total Flour 500     
Total Water 429     
Total Hydration 85.80%     
Multi-grain % 33.80%     
Total Levain 270     
        
 Build 1Build 2Build 3SoakerFinal DoughAdd-InTotal
Levain       
White Starter (100%)      0
Wholewheat Starter      0
Rye Starter      0
Yeast Water Levain (100%)60     60
 60     60
Flour      0
Extra-High Protein Flour (>14%)      0
Bread Flour 30  271 301
AP Flour      0
  30002710301
Wholemeal Flour      0
Wholewheat Flour 90  79 169
Rye Flour    0 0
       0
 09000790169
Liquid       
Water 45 189120 354
Milk      0
       0
Yeast Water 45    45
       0
       0
       0
 09001891200399
Others      0
Yeast    2.5 2.5
Salt    13 13
Cinnamon (2 Tbs)      0
       0
       0
 000015.5015.5
ADD-IN      0
Chopped Wheat berries    35  0
Flaxseeds   35  0
Sunflower Seeds   40  0
Oats   40  0
 000150000
        
        
Direction       
- Autolyse all ingridient (except Salt & Yeast)60 Min      
- Add Salt, yeast  Mixed with Pincer Method       
- S&F 2 times @ 30, 60min interval       
- Total Bulk Fermentation @ 66F3h 30mNeed more as the crust was on the pale side     
Second Proof1.5HR      
Bake - Cover20      
Bake -Uncover25      

I got Hamelman's book as my christmas present I decided to use its 5 grains bread as my New Year Bake. I deviated from the book by

1) sub YW levain with Pete Fermente

2) pre-ferments hydration increased to 75%. 

3) Increase Water to compensate my substitution of WW for Bread flour to increase its multi-grains content. 

Since the room temp has dropped to 66F, I extended the Bulk fermentation to 3:30, but I think its still hasnt fully fermented. Next time I would have give it another hour. 

I baked it in a dutch oven covered 20min and uncovered for 25mins. 

 

 

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The dough was on the stiff side, Next time another 100g of water should be added. 

Crumb shot:

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Total Weight1010    
Serving1    
Weight per Serving1010    
      
Total Flour 550   
Total Water 450   
Total Hydration 81.82%   
Multi-grain % 54.55%   
      
      
 Build 1Build 2Final DoughAdd-InTotal
Levain     
White Starter (100%)100   100
Wholewheat Starter    0
Rye Starter    0
Yeast Water Levain (100%)    0
     100
Flour     
Extra-High Protein Flour (>14%)    0
Bread Flour    0
AP Flour  200 200
 10002000200
Wholemeal Flour     
Wholewheat Flour  280 280
Rye Flour  20 20
     0
 003000300
Liquid     
Water  370 370
Milk    0
Wheat Berries Soaker Water  30 30
Yeast Water    0
     0
     0
     0
 004000400
Others    0
Yeast    0
Salt  10 10
Cinnamon (2 Tbs)    0
     0
     0
 0010010
ADD-IN    0
Wheat Berries   100100
 000100100
      
      
Direction     
- Autolyse all ingridient (except Salt & Yeast)60 Min    
- Add Salt, Soaker  Mixed with Pincer Method     
- S&F 3 Times @ 30min intervalDough Temp 79F    
- Total Bulk Fermentation2h 15m    
- Refridgerate /12Hours    
Bake - Cover20-25    
Bake -Uncover25    
      
      

After last week success, I followed a similar formulae and maintained a similar dough temp. Since this is more of a impulse bake, I first taste my refrigerated starter, but i find it a bit too sour, so I built the levain once @ 1:2:2 which gives me a milder tone. 

I mixed starter, flour, water thoroughly and let stand for 60mins. Using Pincer method to incorporate salt and develop gluten. 

 

Wholewheat an

S&F it 3 times at 30mins interval. 

When it has completed the bulk fermentation. 

 

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Shape it n put it into proofing basket, seam side up. 

 

Wholewheat an

 

After 12 Hours Retard, it looks like 80% proof to me, so I bake it cold. But I guess I can give it an hour room temp proof before it goes into the DO.

 

Wholewheat an

 

It sprang beautifully and gives a fairly nice open crumb

 

Wholewheat and rye levainWholewheat and rye levain

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Since I cant find any >14% high gluten flour in the market, I substituted it with 520g bread flour plus 50G of VWG

Levain Build 1

- 235G Starter

- 40G   >14% high gluten flour

Let it ferment at room temp for 4 hours

Build 2

- All of build 1

- 80G >14% high gluten flour

- 45G Water

Cover n ferment overnight

Final Dough

- 450G >14% high gluten flour

- 120G WW flour

- All levain

- 12G Salt

- 14G Malt Powder

-  14G Milk Powder

- 14G Sugar

- 2G Yeast

 

1) Mix the final dough, autolyse for 60mins

2) this is a fairly dry dough, make sure you resist the temptation of adding more water. Knead until the dough is extensible with some strength but not fully developed)

3)  Divide it into 12 equal pieces and pre-shape it into a round roll

4) let rest for 15minutes

5) Do the final shaping, I poke a hole thu the middle and spin it between my hands.

6) put it on a greased parchment  paper for 1 - 2 hours second proof. This can be tested by a floating test.

7) Once its ready, bring 1.9L water with 2 tsp of Baking soda and 2TBP of malt to boil. 

8) Cooked the bagel for a minute on each side. 

9) lightly pat dry the surface (not completely thou) and rolled it with sesame seeds mixture.

10) lay it on baking sheet, bake at 200C till golden brown (around 20minutes)

 

sesame crusted bagel lot - 2nd attempt

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