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Almost Abe's 100% Buckwheat

November 18, 2023 - 6:38am -- tpassin
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Abe showed us a stunning 100% buckwheat yeasted loaf here:

https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/73128/community-bake-infinity-bread#comment-526712

I tried it out, with a few small changes. It worked out very well, though much darker than Abe's.  It must the a difference in the flours.  First pictures, then the process and changes .

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Biga

November 17, 2023 - 1:13pm -- HappyInFL

I'm having great success with the Peter Rinehart's biga Italian bread recipe from his BBA. There is a biga in our refrigerator ready for use tomorrow. Could I take a small (150g-200g) chunk of it and toss it into another bread recipe to give it the biga benefit? The biga has a 67% hydration rate and my other bread recipe has a 64% hydration rate. I was going to adjust the water and add another gram or two of salt. Any thoughts out there???

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Butter Mochi for Zoji Virtuoso Plus Breadmaker BB-PDC20

November 15, 2023 - 6:31pm -- Wonderings

Hello, new to the site and new to bread makers. Zoji has a recipe for butter mochi on their website, it is not for my model though and would love to be able to make this. Does anyone have a recipe to make butter mochi in the Virtuoso Plus Breadmaker BB-PDC20?

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Perfecting my panettone, or the tale of a sad second rise

November 15, 2023 - 11:45am -- Joe Fisher

Good afternoon friends. I'm on a mission to make the perfect panettone, so I'm practicing before the holidays.

I refreshed my 100% hydration starter 3 times over the week before I baked, and the night before I fed 2oz with 5oz of flour and 5oz of water.

First dough went together fine. Beautiful, strong gluten development.

For rising, I put a seed warming mat on the floor of the oven with a baking dish of water on top. It keeps a solid 78-80F in there.

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Duck Eggs for Pannetone?

November 15, 2023 - 5:50am -- Aekriese
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Hi,

I am brand new here but have found so much useful information! I am about to make traditional panettone  this Christmas season, which I have done once before- I was really happy with how delicious it turned out! My question is, we have mostly duck eggs and I’d like to avoid buying lots of eggs from the store if I can help it - can I use duck eggs for a panettone, or will it be too heavy and rich to rise properly? Ours are about the same size as large chicken eggs and have worked very well for other enriched doughs but this might be a whole other beast! 

 

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WanyeKest

In my previous blog post, I mentioned that the post will be my only post, simply as a 'gratitude' post for all the bread baking knowledge I've learned, allows me to eat healthier. Now to think that I have severe commitment issue, which hinders me from having hobbies those I can cling to in long term, maybe it's a good idea for me to write structured methods. The idea is, when I for some reason no longer feel like baking again, and somehow want to get back to it, I have something that I can directly look into without feeling overwhelmed.

Everytime I decide to learn certain bakes, I like to learn the classics first before going wild with experimentation. My first 30 something batches of (re)learning sourdough was pain de campagne. I like it for it's mild flavor profile and light texture. My go-to formula back then involves 20% whole wheat and 10% rye. The problems are:

  1. Regular whole wheat only available in 5kg increments with short lifespan. I'm by all means not a hardcore hobbyist, hence not having the willpower to consume 5 kg bag of whole wheat in less than 2 months. Milling my own flour? Not a chance (lol)
  2. I have zero reason for using rye. First, I'm not a sour seeker. Second, I couldn't notice what difference 10% rye makes in sourdough when it comes to flavor

I live in the tropics, so I was thinking, why not adjust the formula using ingredients those locally are more accessible. First, atta whole wheat is available in 2kg increment. Second, black rice flour is phenomenal for crust color. Third, oat flour is awesome when you want something mild but still in the realm of whole grains.

Speaking of black rice, I planned to always use it in my sourdough bakes, for the reason I mentioned above. It's just logical for me to put it in the earliest part of fermentation process; the starter. Besides that, starter has no role in dough strength anyway, so why not use some weak flour that I really adore.

Here is the method. In my fashion, weakest flour goes first, strongest flour goes last.

 

Overall: 85% hydration, 5% glutinous black rice flour, 15% rolled oat flour, 20% atta whole wheat, 3 stages levain, cold pot method, 30% prefermented flour

 

Day 1

Mix 3 g 50% hydration black rice starter, 6 g black rice flour, and 3 g water. Ferment for 2 hours, then refrigerate.

 

Day 2

Mix previous levain with 16 g black rice flour, 12 g oat flour, and 14 g water. Ferment until mature

Mix previous levain with 60 g oat flour, 48 g atta flour, and 54 g water. Ferment for 2 hours, then refrigerate.

 

Day 3

Dechill levain for 45 minutes.

Puree levain with 336 g water. Mix in 288 g 13% protein white flour and 48 g atta flour. Rest 20 minutes.

Add 12 g salt, mix well. With spatula, stretch the dough north-south, then west-east. With wet hands, raise the dough in the air and do S&F north-south then west-east. Rest 20 minutes.

Repeat the double S&F and 20 minutes rest until the dough resisting stretch. Usually takes me 1.5 hours or two. After the last 20 minutes rest, you may preshape the dough.

Shape, and proof in parchment lined enameled pot. Proof a bit longer than you would with banneton for fluffier texture.

The last 20 minutes of proofing, blow dry the loaf with standing fan. Score, spray the dough with water, lid on.

Bake 250 °C for 45 minutes.

 

I noticed whenever I use oat flour, I get better volume despite closed crumb (I'm not open crumb seeker). And more tender crumb too.

 

Taste assessment

I always toast my bread before eating. After being toasted, it's soooo fluffy with thin shattery crispy crust. That's the wonder of oat and blow drying instead of flour-dusting pre-scoring. As any bread I've made with > 10% oat in the levain, it has slight vegetal taste, reminiscence of cucumber. The acidity is mild. There is slight acetic smell when untoasted, but it's gone after toasting. In my opinion, it pairs well with fish, also anything citrusy.

 

Notes

High hydration is necessary if oat flour is involved, otherwise the scored surface will have torn and shredded look instead of nice spherical surface

At first, the dough feels a bit slacker than 75% hydration APF dough. But it will get nice and elastic eventually.

I always puree my stiff levain for 15 seconds before use regardless the type of flour used, never had problem (keep in mind I never use more than 30% prefermented flour)

There is no reliable way to judge ripeness of the second stage levain. First, black rice has strong aroma. Second, no significant volume increase. Cracks might occur. Usually my atta starter takes 4 hours to ripe, so I fermented it for 4 hours

This starter is a lot more vigorous than the last time it was still being fed with atta flour. I might have to cut the prefermented flour from my usual 30% to 20-25%

 

Peace and love,

Jay

 

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