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Different types of preferment?

November 19, 2023 - 1:02pm -- bakerman
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I was doing a little reading about different types of preferment and the terminology and the different uses. This article I linked below seems to challenge received wisdom--and common sense?--about using different kinds of preferment for different purposes. It seems obvious, for example, that to obtain a bread (or whatever) with less sour character, especially in warm weather, one could opt for a stiffer preferment, which, developing more slowly, would yield a yeastier and less sour result within a similar timeframe.

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I did the Infinity loaf challengeon October 30, but I'm just now getting around to posting it. I did not really like how the bread came out. It was very crumbly and a bit sandy. That said, I'm not really partial to cornbread either.

The "other" flours I used were rye, oat flour, and corn meal. For seeds, I used soaked bulgur wheat and toasted pecan pieces. The inclusions were fine. I'm not so sure about the cornmeal and oat flour though. I'll try it again after the holidays. And soak the cornmeal next time.

I posted somewhere else the exact quantities so I'll go back and look at that later.Found it: https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/73115/nothing-too-exiciting-here#comment-527139

The biscotti that I made came out pretty good. I did this November 4. on The only thing is that I should've sliced them a little thinner or baked them longer. Or both. the recipe I used is from Joyofbaking.com: Chocolate Almond Biscotti. The only changes I made were to use toasted pecans instead of the almonds. The dough was a little tacky.

 

Sorry for the late posts, it's been really hectic around here.In October, I made around 3 dozen muffins plus 3 dozen cookies every week for 3 weeks for a fundraiser. Not much sold. But when I was at their display, it was so overcrowded with prepackaged snacks that it made sense that they didn't sell.

Currently I have 300g of starter rising to start 3 different breads tomorrow: two chocolate breads with cherries and pecans and one I'm not completely sure about yet.Probably a whole wheat and bread flour tangzong milk bread.

On Monday and Tuesday I'll be baking bread, cookies, and muffins for when we go see my parents for Thanksgiving. The cookies with be sugar, oatmeal, and 2 kinds of biscotti: The one I just posted and one with cocoa powder and cranberries. Also part of my future lineup is to make a 1/2 semolina biscotti to see if the texture is different when I come back.

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Hamelman's 66% Sourdough Rye

November 19, 2023 - 11:15am -- louiscohen
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I made the dough per "Bread" and baked half as a loaf and half as buns.

The loaf had the best grigne I have made in a while; instead of the usual dutch oven I used baking stones above and below, a steam pan, and an additional spritz on the loaf after 5 minutes in the oven.  

I waited 24 hrs to slice it (not easy to wait); it was pretty good, but not quite as good as another Hamelman formula that used whole rye (sourdough rye with walnuts; this one was medium rye and bread flour). The whole rye really did get better over 3-4 days; we'll see if this one does.

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Home Oven Steaming

November 18, 2023 - 12:42pm -- louiscohen

For longer than I would care to admit, despite using a steam pan on the bottom oven rack I could never get good oven spring, much less a gringne, in our home oven.

Eventually I tried a dutch oven, and things got a lot better.  And then I got into high whole wheat or rye breads, and the oven spring got smaller.

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humidity for starter

November 18, 2023 - 11:53am -- metropical

I usually feed my starter water <100º F and place in the closed oven for 90 mins to 2 hrs and repeat till I have enough.

I normally rise a loaf in a small foam chest with a bowl of boiled water under the pan.  This helps the speed and quality of the rise.

I'm wondering if the starter feed would also benefit from being in humidity rather than just a "closed" space.

The house humidity averages 50-60% most of the year until summer.

I'm sure the humidity rises a bit when in the closed oven with the 100º F water feed, but ....

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Almost Abe's 100% Buckwheat

November 18, 2023 - 6:38am -- tpassin
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Abe showed us a stunning 100% buckwheat yeasted loaf here:

https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/73128/community-bake-infinity-bread#comment-526712

I tried it out, with a few small changes. It worked out very well, though much darker than Abe's.  It must the a difference in the flours.  First pictures, then the process and changes .

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