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Month+ old starter started doubling consistently in oven after 12 hours, but out of oven, it doesn't rise as much

December 16, 2023 - 1:36pm -- moosespectacles

The Ratio I've been feeding is 1:1:1 of starter, 50/50 AP/WW flour, and tap water. I was recently able to get my starter to reliably double between 4-8 hours, while being stored in the oven with the light on, feeding twice daily.  

Now that it appeared to be ready, I figured it can come out of the oven and stay on my counter, instead, so I can feed it once a day, rather than twice a day, since the temp will be much lower (around 70°F). It doubled yesterday, no problem, though probably much later than 8 hours, which I figured is normal due to temp differences.  

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Yippee

 

Please see here and here to learn more about concentrated lactic acid sourdough (CLAS). 

 

 

I've been mulling over what to do with that hefty 50-pound bag of durum berries I stowed away during the pandemic. Noodle-making was my go-to, but it became a chore after a while. I even considered buying a noodle machine for convenience: the kind that extrudes noodles once you add all the ingredients, but guess what? Nature stepped in and saved me the trouble—bugs invaded the bag, and that was it for my durum berries. Here's the final loaf I made totally clueless about those bugs:

 

 

 

Ingredients:

 

Pre-dough

Prepare a puree with

23% milk

46% overripe bananas

 

95% fresh whole durum flour ground in the Vitamix

5% whole durum flour from durum CLAS

7.5% water from durum CLAS

17% egg

0.2% gold yeast

 

mix until a moist dough forms; do not overmix

28C x 240mins using Zo's "Rise 1"

 

Dough

predough

➕

0.5% gold yeast

1.5% salt

1.5% ground cinnamon

10% butter

mix until incorporated, then 

➕

38% toasted mix of 

walnuts

hazelnuts

almonds

pecans

➕

38% craisins 

 

mix in extra banana-milk puree if needed

 

Total dough weight: ~750g

for a 19cm x 11cm x 8.5cm tin with a lid (holds 1000ml)

 

Bulk

using Zo's "Rise 3"

38C x 50mins

 

Shape

place the dough into the tin lined with parchment slings

smooth the top with a spatula (optional)

 

Prove

using Zo's "Rise 3"

38C x 40mins

 

Bake

using the 6Q Instant Vortex Clear Cook Air Fryer

line parchment paper on top of the dough

close the lid

 

375Fx10mins

350Fx15mins

flip

350Fx10mins

 

 

click to enlarge

 

 

 

 

 

 I🧡💛🩷that I can bake two loaves in the air fryer at once whenever I feel like it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Enjoy it the ball-law-yau style

 

I have another 100% durum bread, but this time it's made with refined, extra fancy durum flour.

 

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Teebella

It had action on day 2 & 3 after that it slowed down then stopped .. using King Arthur bread flour .. was feeding once a day for 3 days then twice a day.. I accidentally discarded on day two… it’s in my microwave with a paper towel and rubber band … the first few days I had the lid on then switched upon reading .. maybe that’s the problem? Is it saveable? 
my hair accidentally dipped into one of them just a few mins ago should I throw it out? Did I poison them? 

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The Roadside Pi...

Eureka! Though trial and error I have successfully recreated the authentic, iconic NYC Kaiser roll. Brought to America by our German Jewish neighbors. These are the big ones of breakfast sandwich fame. 

Check another one off the list.

Kaiser rolls-✅

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Using stiff sourdough starter to predict bulkfermentation time

December 15, 2023 - 10:01am -- prankster1590

Hi,

I have been busy with creating a mature sourdough starter by daily feeding it for atleast 4 months. It is a stiff star with the feeding ratio being 1 starter : 5 flour : 2,75 water : 0,0625 salt. It usually gets active after 2,5 - 3 hours an is tripled in volume in between 5-6 hours. It usually stays this way for a long time and never really gets back to its original volume within 24 hours. After 24 hours its usually between 1,75 - 2 times its original volume. Maybe thats because of it being a stiff starter.

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Panettone Flavor?

December 14, 2023 - 3:06pm -- The Roadside Pi...

Good afternoon, friends.

I hope everything is swell for you during this blessed season. 

 I am on need of some direction, regarding panettone. I am reading Piegiorgio Giorilli's commercial yeast panettone formula. Before I can attempt this labor of love, I need clarification as to what exactly is "panettone Flavor"? Additionally, what could I substitute for this name sake ingredient? Thanks for any help you can offer. My wish for all is happiness and peace though the joy of God, the winter solise, and life in general.

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Peter Reinhart's BBA firm starter

December 14, 2023 - 1:08pm -- giovanni

Hello, first let me introduce myself since this is my very first post. I recently started baking bread, inspired by Peter Reinhart's Bread Baker's Apprentice book that's been sitting on our shelf for several years. I successfully made his ciabatta and focaccia recipes several times. Now I am working on sourdough, which is giving me headaches.

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swapping flour with maseca

December 14, 2023 - 3:12am -- TheLoafLover

Hi all, new to the site and amazed at the level of bread knowledge already, shall certainly be looking at incorporating ideas from here in my own cooking. 

as a starter, I like to make a quick bread sometimes where i'll add yoghurt, baking powder and yeast together with a little sugar and general purpose flour, I was wondering if i swapped out half the flour for maseca whether this would work? has anyone tried this before? i'm imagining something close to using semolina although I don't know enough about masa to predict whether it would hold together etc.  

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