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Panettone....My unicorn 🦄

December 23, 2023 - 6:52am -- The Roadside Pi...

Hello, friends. Happy Festivius!

After putting the idea of panettone aside, for quite sometime. I attempted Mistro Giorilli's commercial yeast panettone formula.

 The long story short. At every stage of the build all I could think was this is not working. However I was able to somehow progress though the stages. ( Barley.) At the beginning of the bulk, the dough was so overheated the chocolate chips melted. 

 My question ❓

Benito's picture
Benito

My first bake since returning home for us, although I made two, one is for a present.  We love seeds and nuts in bread so wanted to have a nutty bread.  I toasted the walnuts and also used toasted walnut oil in lieu of butter to maximize the nutty flavour.  I also last minute decided to top the loaves with black sesame seeds because why not!  I usually weigh the dough when I divide, this time I did not and obviously didn’t do a good job by eye LOL.

For one 9x4x4” Pullman pan loaf.

 

Instructions

Levain

Mix the levain ingredients in a jar or pyrex container with space for at least 300% growth. 

Press down with your knuckles or silicone spatula to create a uniform surface and to push out air.

At a temperature of 76-78ºF, it typically takes up to 10-12 hours for this sweet stiff levain to be at peak.  For my starter I typically see 3-3.5 times increase in size at peak.  The levain will smell sweet with only a mild tang.

 

Tangzhong 

In a sauce pan set on medium heat, stir the milk and whole red fife flour until blended. Then cook for several minutes until well thickened, stirring regularly with a spoon or heat-resistant spatula. Let cool in the pan or, for faster results, in a new bowl.  Theoretically it should reach 65ºC (149ºF) but I don’t find I need to measure the temperature as the tangzhong gelatinizes at this temperature.  You can prepare this the night before and refrigerate it, ensure that it is covered to prevent it from drying out.

 

If you plan on using a stand mixer to mix this dough, set up a Bain Marie and use your stand mixer’s bowl to prepare the tangzhong.

 

Dough

In the bowl of a stand mixer, add the milk (consider holding back 10 g of milk and adding later if this is the first time you’re making this), egg, tangzhong, salt, sugar and levain.  Mix and then break up the levain into many smaller pieces.  Next add the flour.  I like to use my spatula to mix until there aren’t many dry areas.  Allow the flour to hydrate (fermentolyse) for 20-30 minutes.  Mix on low speed and then medium speed until moderate gluten development this may take 5-10 mins.  You may want to scrape the sides of the bowl during the first 5 minutes of mixing.  Next drizzle in the walnut oil a bit at a time.  The dough may come apart, be patient, continue to mix until it comes together before adding in more oil.  Again, knead until well incorporated.  You will want to check gluten development by windowpane during this time and stop mixing when you get a good windowpane.  You should be able to pull a good windowpane, not quite as good as a white flour because the bran will interrupt the windowpane somewhat.  Finally add the walnuts and mix until evenly incorporated.

 

On the counter, shape the dough into a tight ball, cover in the bowl and ferment for 3 - 4 hours at 82ºF.  There should be some rise visible at this stage.

 

You can next place the dough into the fridge to chill the dough for about 1.5 hours, this makes rolling the dough easier to shape.  Remember, if you do so the final proof will take longer.  Alternatively, you can do a cold retard in the fridge overnight, however, you may find that this increases the tang in your bread.

 

Prepare your pans by greasing them with butter or line with parchment paper.  

 

Lightly oil the top of the dough. Scrape the dough out onto a clean counter top and shape into a batard.  Place into your prepared pan.

 

Cover and let proof for  4-6 hours at a warm temperature.  I proof at 82°F.  You will need longer than 4-6 hours if you chilled your dough for shaping. I proof until the top of the dough comes to within 1 cm of the top edge of the pan.

 

Preheat the oven to 350F and brush the dough with the egg-milk wash.  Just prior to baking brush with the egg-milk wash again.

 

Bake the loaves for 50 minutes or until the internal temperature is at least 190ºF, rotating as needed to get even browning. Shield your loaf if it gets brown early in the baking process. After 50 mins remove the bread from the pan and bake a further 10 mins by placing the loaf directly in the oven on the rack with the oven turned down to 325ºF.

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Sourdough Newbie.. Questions

December 23, 2023 - 3:32am -- Jetmaan

Hello to all..

 

I am a NEWBIE at all things sourdough.. (Although I have been baking bread for 40+ years).

I have created my starter and it seems very healthy.  I have baked several loaves of bread with it and overall am FAIRLY pleased with the end results. .. would like better crumb structure and better oven spring. flavor is good however.... 

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Ilya Flyamer

We bought a lot of Turkish black olives last week and I thought finally it's time to bake olive bread.

It came out super well, so I decided to share the bake here. Dough is more or less 50/50 ruchmehl (Swiss high extraction flour) and white flour, but I didn't write down the exact proportions. Total flour weight, including 50 g of prefermented whole rye from the starter, is 450 g. Not too high hydration, in the 70% range, but also with additional liquid from the olives (around 80g after pitting), and a glug of olive oil. Since the olives are salty, I reduced the salt a little, 8 g instead of the usual 10g. After adding the olives the dough got much darker and acquired some pretty dark purple streaks, which came out beautifully in the final crumb. Did some typical stretch and folds etc, after a few hours it seemed the dough was ready, so I shaped it and final proofed mainly on the balcony, where I suspect the temperature is a little higher than the fridge at the moment, so the fermentation doesn't stop completely, but progresses very slowly. It rose somewhat, and next day I baked it with steam.

Bread came out crunchy on the outside, not too fluffy, but very soft inside, and very tasty. Actually amazing to eat with some more olive oil.

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Kjknits

I love how artisan bread gives you the opportunity to do something creative with your scoring. I think Santa is my favorite—he got the full glamour shot treatment! 🎅🏻 

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something is very wrong - poolish high hydration

December 22, 2023 - 1:22am -- stevedonkey

For years now I've been trying to bake a bread using a poolish pre-ferment.  From what I've read, the poolish is all I need to ferment the dough, but every time I do this, the bread never properly rises and is very slack despite having excellent gluten strength (window pane test passes with flying colors), and I'm not over or under-proofing (poke test is such that the indent bounces back within a few seconds).

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Mark of the Yeast

First post!! 

I'm so excited to have found a cool community where I can talk/read about baking bread without an algorithm to decide to put other random crap in front of my face.

 

Anyhoo!

I use a pretty basic sandwich bread recipe for pretty much all the bread I've ever made

Warm water and honey to bloom the dry active yeast

Butter, flour, salt to form the dough. 

This time around, I made a loaf with a swirl of bacon bits and shredded cheese! It was a massive hit and we used it to make breakfast sandwiches the next day. 

 

From this same batch, I made a parmesan flake swirl loaf as well. Whenever I make this recipe, I tend to do one plain loaf and one with inclusions. The parmesan loaf was for our dinner tonight, toasted and dipped in French onion soup. YUM. 

 

I'm working on bringing up a starter from scratch right now, I'm on day four! Can't wait to make some tasty sourdough loaves, hopefully I can give it a couple tries and get to a point where I'm satisfied gifting a loaf or two for Christmas to my husband's family. I have no expectations of truly getting the hang of it that quickly, though, so call this a reach goal 🤣

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Does scalding bran denature the enzymes too much?

December 21, 2023 - 5:02pm -- Ted Wanderhill
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For my next 100% Whole Wheat sourdough loaf, in the never-ending quest for a more open crumb (and a journey away from bricks), I am going to attempt to sift the bran out of my home-ground flour . . . and then scald that bran with boiling water, and add the bran-porridge back into the during the build.

But, my compatriot in bread-making (Jared) claims that I will be damaging/denaturing the enzymes in the bran too much (with the boiling water) . . . so, where is the edge between "good damage" (ie grinding flour) and "bad damage"?

thanks--ted

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