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welcome

January 10, 2010 - 6:15pm -- rileybri

Hello all, Brian Hear,

This year I made my New Years resolution to be for me to learn how to bake yeast breads. It has always been something that daunted me in the kitchen and I love the kitchen. So tonight I made my first attempt at making a yeast bread. I am both happy with the results and have a LONG way to go in my learning.  I look forward to sharing my creations and growth as a baker with you along my journey. 

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txfarmer

It all started with that chestnut pie I made, amazing pie really, how can it not be? It had chestnut cream, chestnut puree, candied chestnut, creme fraiche, mascarpone, heavy cream all loaded in one flaky all butter crust!

But then I had these yummy chestnut puree and whole roasted chestnuts left over, as delicious as that pie was, it was also very rich and had a lot of added flavors, this time I want to make the chestnuts themselves shine. Of course I COULD eat the puree straight out of the jar, but I digress. ;) Here's what I came up with: a chestnut sourdough with loads of chestnut puree kneaded in; whole chestnuts boiled then soaked in fruity white wine overnight, then mixed into the dough; also used the soaking wine as part of the liquid, the result is a bread full of chestnut flavor. The wine brought out the subtle sweetness of chestnut, but the flavor of alcohol was minimal (a good thing since my husband doesn't drink). Chunks of chestnuts studded the soft and spongy crumb. I am pretty happy with the result, with the slight nutty sweetness, and almost "custardy" mouth feel, it's like eating a giagantic chestnut!

One thing I didn't expect is how sticky the chestnut puree made the dough to be. I had to decrease the liqud amount that I had planned to add in, even then, I still had to do quite a few S&F to build up the dough strength. I later found out that chestnuts have a lot of starch, double of what potatoes have, comparable to wheat flour, minuse the gluten of course. Even though it made kneading and fermentation a bit challenging, the final crumb was similar to those breads with potatoe puree mixed in, soft and songy, very moist.

Here's my formula for the bread:

 

The night before:

mixing 170g of roasted, peeled, and roughly chopped chestnuts with 140g of white wine (I used a fruity cheap one), bring to boil, remove from stove, cover and let sit overnight.

 

2nd day:

starter, 180g (100% hydration)

salt, 7.5g

bread flour, 300g (I used KA)

wine soaking liquid from above + water, 175g

chestnuts above, drained

chestnut puree, 240g (unsweetened, just chestnut and water)

honey, 22g

 

1. Mix together everything but chestnuts, autolyse 30minutes, knead until gluten starting to develope.

2. Add in chestnuts, knead them in evenly.

3. Cover and bulk fermentation for 4 hours, at 30, 60, 90, and 120 minutes, S&F.

4. Round and relax the dough for 15 minutes, shape into a boule, put into brotform, smooth side down, cover and put into fridge for overnight

5. About 15 hours later, take out the dough and leave in room temperature for 90 minutes, perhead the oven with stone to 550F

6. Slash and bake, steam as normal, reduce the oven temperature to 450F, bake for 45 minutes in total, at minute 15, take out the steam pan, and rotate bread for even baking.

The taste is pretty on target, the slashing effect was a bit lost due to all the chestnut pieces peaking out underneath

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is 355 grams enough?

January 10, 2010 - 3:25pm -- The Roadside Pi...

Hi I was at the supermarket today, I saw this glass sugar shaker that looked cool. It was the last one had no price on it the manager gave it to me for $2.39. It is round glass with ribs. Ill take a pic when my batteries charge. It has a S/S top screw on with the little flap to shake the sugar out. It holds 355grams of water to the brim. Would this be big enough to get a useful amount of starter going?

Thanks for any help

Will

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DownStateBaker

Introduction to bread baking

Bread has been baked since 4000 BCE. Keep this in mind while reading this and other bread books or information. So really all you need is some simple tools, flour (in this intro flour quality won't be a huge issue), salt, water, an oven, and most importantly time.

Tools

Hands- These are your greatest tools. Their most important attribute is what they can tell you. They can tell you how strong, moist, warm, cool, and proofed your dough is. You will develop how to interperet these tactile sensations through practice.

The Bowl- While not entirely necessary, it was one of the earliest and best development in baking. When choosing one look for durability (I use a steel bowl) and size (big but not too big to hold under your arm while mixing, but big enough to have a lot of space for mixing).

A Mixing Implement- I use a wooden short handed flat spoon thing I found somewhere (pictured).My implement

Oven- In this introduction I use an electric oven.

Flour- We could go on and on about flour, but for the sake of brevity I'll keep it short. At home when I don't always have good bread flour I use King Arthur All-Purpose or Gold Medal All-Purpose flours. I am not above using store brand all-purpose if money and the availability of these flours are an issue.

Salt- A nice unrefined sea salt containing calcium and magnesium is best. If this isn't available then I would go with Diamond Crystal Kosher salt. In a pince non-iodized table salt will do fine (iodine is no good for yeast or other microbes that we might like in our bread).

Water- I am lucky enough to live in a house where I get really nice water from a well. I don't know the chemistry of my water but it works well. In general acidic water weakens gluten and alkali strengthens it. Hard water helps create stronger gluten networks because of the presence of calcium and magnesium. Less water makes denser easier to work with loaves and more water lighter more difficult to handle dough.

Yeast- In this introduction we're going to be catching some wild yeast. But store bought yeast will work if you want bread ASAP (this goes against my bread philosophy, but I understand when you want bread and you want it now). Dry yeast has a longer shelf life than cake yeast. So if you are unsure of the freshness of the yeast in your local store go for the packaged dry yeast. Check the expiration date.

Digital Scale- I am also lucky enough to have a scale in my home kitchen. I suggest anyone serious enough to be on a baking forum get one. Grams are what I use when writing my recipes. I like the exactness making rounding a rare occurence. If you don't have one on hand this website has good conversions http://www.veg-world.com/articles/cups.htm

Time- The more the better.

Lets Begin

First get your bowl and mixing implement ready and clean.

Next get some flour and water (I use 80 F at this step). Weigh out 300g of flour and 300g of 80 F water. Now you can also get creative and add some ripe fruit or some bottle conditioned beer if you want a little help in cultivating the yeast. Water and Flour first added

Mix the water and flour until combined (Picture).

Keep the mixture covered in a clean warm spot in your house. Stir every few hours for the next 24 hours. Four or five times should do it. Don't worry if the mixings aren't equally spaced apart just so long as there is about 5-6 hours between mixings. We are mixing it this many times not so much to develop more strength in the dough but because we want to expose more of the mixture to the air containing ambient yeast as well as spreading out yeast that has begun colonizing the mixture.

Tommorow I will update.

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need recipe for Naan. daughter is starting to bake from scratch and LOVES Naan for making pizza. Novice recipes mainly.

January 10, 2010 - 2:29pm -- avatrx1

My daughter has recently started making more homemade things.  She has 4 boys.  16.15.13, and 10.  She'd like to learn how to make Naan.  She has very few kitchen things since she mostly bought ready-made until both she and her hubby lost their jobs.

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No-Knead beginner

January 10, 2010 - 2:07pm -- kolobezka

The basic recipe seems really easy and the photos here on TFL so beautiful! I would love to try...

1) is it necessary to use a preheated Dutch oven or la Cloche? I have only one pyrex dish with cover, but I wonder whether it can be preheated to high temperature when empty? Do you have any experience with this or other materials? Do you use a parchment or do you oil the dish?

2) is it possible to bake the No-Knead recipe in a any loaf / cake pan without cover? Or just free-form?

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Peter Reinhart´s books and / or others?

January 10, 2010 - 1:51pm -- kolobezka
Forums: 

Please could anybody help to choose some good books for baking? The problem is, that living in a non-English speaking country I cannot have a look at them in a bookshop or library :-(

 

1) I already have PR´s Artisan Breads Every Day. Most of you recommend BBA, Whole Grain Breads and Crust and Crumb. How are the books different? Are there completely different methods, explanations and recipes?

 

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Utterly confused

January 10, 2010 - 1:32pm -- Lindley

Okay, I'm lost. I've been trying to read forums, google, ask - this only led me to more confusion :( I feel like I'm a total idiot who can't get the basic notions of baking. So I'd GREATLY appreciate if you could answer some of my questions, or point me to a source where I can read about it (online, plz, I don't have access to majority of published books). I know that these questions will sound foolish to most of you, but I'm a total novice.

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