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mlucas

With our second child, my wife was desperate to have the baby by the due date. Her parents were leaving for England for three weeks and they really wanted to meet the baby before they left!

It happened at that time we needed a bunch of topsoil to fill a big brick flowerbed I'd made. When the order came and we had a huge mound of topsoil on our driveway, I joked that due to Murhpy's Law the baby would come now, since we had all this work to do shoveling it. Sure enough my wife went into labour that night and had our daughter Maya the next morning. (I remember shoveling dirt like mad while she was in the early stages of labour!)

That was 2006. Fast forward to May 2010 and expecting our fourth child any day. I didn't realize what I was doing when late on the Friday night (May 21) I made up the dough for Shiao-Ping's Banana Pain-au-Levain, plus made up the soaker and elaborated a whole bunch of starter for Hamelman's Five-Grain sourdough recipe. I didn't get to bed until 1:30am!

Of course that night Kristen's water broke (around 5am) and we were at the hospital a few hours later. I was operating on less than 4 hours sleep, and calling my mother-in-law from the hospital asking her to put the soaker & starter in the fridge.

Our daughter Aria was born the Saturday night, just before midnight. I baked the banana bread Monday morning, just before heading back to the hospital to bring Kristen and Aria home. Finally on Monday afternoon I mixed up the Five-Grain sourdough (after the starter had been sitting 'active' in fridge for 2.5 days).

Banana Pain-Au-Levain

To my surprise, both batches turned out fantastic! Neither were overly sour. The banana bread had a lovely moist crumb with the characteristic flavour that Shiao-Ping described. And the Five-Grain rose well, which surprised me after the starter had been in the fridge so long, I didn't think it would still be so active. Thanks to the soaker, the seeds in the Five-Grain were deliciously soft, in fact the sunflower seeds cut easily along with each slice.

five grain levainFive-Grain Sourdough from Hamelman's 'Bread'

I'll always remember that I baked two batches of bread the day we brought Aria home. And I learned that it really is okay to let your active starter "hold on" in the fridge for a while until you're ready to mix the dough. (I'll still try to stick to max 24 hours holding time, but knowing even 2.5 days worked fine, I won't worry about it so much!)

Happy baking,
Mike

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sharonk

 When people think of sourdough starter lineages they often think of the famous San Francisco or Alaska starters originally brought over from Europe. I imagine the people who brought starters along with them were courageous people looking for a better life. I imagine they dehydrated their starters in the old country and carried small amounts of it in pouches or tiny clay pots carefully tucked into whatever belongings they could carry with them in the boats. When they got to the land of opportunity it is said their bread starters took on a new flavor, the flavor of their new locale. Hence the famousness of the San Francisco or Alaska sourdough flavors.

 

I first learned to make sourdough using an old-fashioned 7-day rye bread recipe. It was a goopy, no-knead recipe that produced a rich, malty, dense loaf. The starter was built over seven days, yielding a giant bowl of sponge-like starter. When it was time to assemble the breads rye flour, water and salt were incorporated into the starter. This “goop” was then spooned into the loaf pans as this bread did not stand up by itself, it needed “walls” to hold it up. It was so sticky that the less handling involved, the better the finished product.

 

When I began to work with gluten-free starter possibilities I used this spongy, goopy technique as a guide and after a year of many failures, had great success while incorporating a few important changes through trial and error:

 

  • extra daily feedings to prevent spoilage
  • boosting and preserving it with a bit of an old fashioned fermented drink, water kefir.

 

I found the starters to be rather delicate and did not regularly store well. I found that I could easily begin a new starter so using it up was never a problem. In fact, I found the fresh starters resulted in breads having a consistently fresh taste while the stored refrigerated starters often carried some “off tastes” I associated with over-fermentation. The over-fermentation also seemed to result in less than satisfactory leavening.

 

This sponge-goop technique is very different than wheat sourdough techniques that benefit from extensive kneading and shaping. Unlike their rye counterparts traditional wheat breads also stand up, rise and bake without the support of the walls of a loaf pan.

 

Some seasoned wheat sourdough bakers have had poor success with my technique when they apply their years of experience with wheat sourdough to my rice starter. They expect to take a small amount of starter and knead large amounts of flour into it, shape it, let it rise and bake it. My technique, however, is the opposite. I grow a large amount of high-moisture starter by feeding it at least twice a day. I then stir in a small amount of flour and pour or spoon it into a loaf pan or muffin tin.  From there I let it rise and then bake it.

 

I think the main reason the wheat technique doesn’t work for my recipes is that my technique was originally derived from the 7-day sourdough rye sponge-goop technique which is really quite different than the wheat technique.

 

One definition of lineage is “the descendants of one individual”. The descendants of the San Francisco and Alaska sourdough starters are available for sale and supposedly retain some of that “genetic” material referring to the local bacteria and yeasts that grow in the starter. When one purchases those starters they know the lineage of their starter.

 

I don’t sell starters, I sell a technique. I think about my technique as a “technical” lineage, much like a technique or practice handed down from teacher to student, or master to apprentice. My “technical lineage” is a descendent of the 7-Day Sourdough Rye Technique.

 

I am deeply grateful for the people willing to try my technique because in addition to feeding ourselves we are also keeping alive a technique that could easily be forgotten in these modern times. We keep it alive by learning it, practicing it, feeding our families with it and teaching it to others.

 

We successfully unite the past with the future when we reclaim an old-fashioned technique like 7-day rye sourdough and successfully and palatably use it to address the modern dietary challenges of gluten intolerance.

 

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Decorative dough or dead dough decorations

June 18, 2010 - 10:22am -- mido_mijo
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I'm interested in decorative doughs or dead dough decorations.

 

I'm trying to look for books more on the subject and various types of wood molds. I like those breads with the decorative tops...so...

So far I only know of breadhitz.com to carry wood molds and books/dvds on the subject.

 

thanks in advance

 

btw. i've searched the forums and only found a few without references to books or sites....or maybe i missed them..

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Spent Grains

June 18, 2010 - 9:46am -- MapMaker

I attended a local homebrew club meeting the other evening (looking for another way to interact with yeast) and one of the member's asked if I ever used spent grains in my bread baking.  I said no but I would look into it.  I looked throught the archives a bit but saw nothing about storing spent grains until used.  I can get lots of spent grains but since not much is required for my baking needs is it possible to store them for any length of time or is it best to get them fresh as they become available and use them right away?

Thanks for any input.

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Need some starter storage advice

June 18, 2010 - 8:59am -- Rick D

Hi there. I'm sure the answers I'm looking for exist somewhere on this site, but a search brings up an exhaustive amount of (great) information, so here goes:

I've slaved over my scale and coutertop for the past month, but have now happily created a new starter, now just over 30 days old, kept at 100% hydration with bread flour and fed twice daily. It's remained healthy, doubles readily between feedings, and smells wonderful.

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In what do you mix and how do you rise your doughs?

June 18, 2010 - 5:21am -- CoveredInFlour
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I'm curious how others rise/proof/ferment their doughs and what you make them in- I'm always looking for new ideas.

I make all my doughs in a ceramic mixing bowl, or if it's a double batch a large ceramic pasta bowl. I recently picked up a bowl that will allow me to make enough dough for 4 loaves, when I'll do that I'll never know, but it was nice.:) I've found ceramic bowls retain and distribute the heat better that metal bowls, at least in my novice opinion, and they look pretty when I'm using them. :D

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Starter Gone Moldy

June 18, 2010 - 2:18am -- bread10

Hello,

I bought a sourdough starter and now it is covered in white mold. I cut off the outer edges of the dough to salvage what I could, but then found the white mold was also growing inside in any crevasse between the dough.

I have followed the instructions for feeding and maintaining a healthy sourdough starter.

Why has this happened? I know someone else that has the exact same stater and has been doing the same as I have and it is perfectly healthy and active.

It is very disappointing not to mention the time and money wasted as well!

 

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bread making early? why?

June 18, 2010 - 1:04am -- littlegrasshopper

Hello everybody

 

I am nowadays planning to set up an artisan bakery in my city. Our focus are whole grain flours and wild yeasts only bread, a little bit of "ancient style". And by now, I have to plan the working timetable. And I do not want to wake up early in the morning for making the bread, so I ask you :

why so many organic sourdough bakers do start to make their bread at 5 a.m. in the morning? ¿Do you find this really necessary?

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hmcinorganic

I again followed the 1-2-3 sourdough recipe but this time, I used 9 oz starter, 18 oz water, and 9 oz whole wheat flour, 9 oz bread flour and 9 oz all purpose flour (I ran out of bread flour).  I mixed until moist and let rest 1-2 hours.  did 3 stretch and folds over several hours and then put it in the fridge for an overnight retard (that ended up being almost 24 hours;  I punched it down after 12).  I shaped it, let it rise covered on the counter for 2 and a half hours or so.  Baked on a stone with steam, 500 °F for 2 minutes and then 450 for 38 more.  Looks good.  Tastes good, but still not what I would call "sour."  Very complex flavor.  Still not getting the big gaping artisan holes, but this loaf gets an A in my book.

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